Rumor: Tim Graham “Sources He has are strongly hinting this is the end for Kevyn Adams”

[JustOutsideChicago]

Jarmo took a role that could not have been attractive to elite GM candidates. Promoting him to the role would be typical lazy decision making.

If they truly want to shift the culture and/or build credibility, I think this supposed big move needs to be announcing Kevyn’s new boss - Buffalo’s version of Jeff Gorton. Empower this person to make subsequent changes. The first being selecting GM. Sure maybe Jarmo is a candidate. But taking this advisory title should not be a direct line to GM.

[pi2000]

57 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:

Could be a franchise defining moment though...

pivotal!

[Indabuff]

[quill]

57 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Maybe my going to see David Byrne was a positive omen.  

I think it could be a positive omen. My biggest regret when it comes to music is that I never got to see his American Utopia show in NYC. 

[tom webster]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

What has Adams built in 6 years?  This team is no closer to a playoff spot than when he started. Goaltending has always been a mess under his watch. 

I’ll be honest, I only hold Adams accountable for the last four years. The first two years no one would have had any chance of success. I was ready this offseason to move on and now I want him completely gone.

[Flashsabre]

Any change where Adams still has a spot and voice in the organization is DOA. Guys like Adams, Forton, etc need to be wiped out. The coaching staff needs to be canned. Do what you want with Ruff but he would be the only guy I would consider retaining in some position.

Moving Adams to President is just a massive step backwards. 

[quill]

Maybe our own studio analyst and former goal tender, Marty Biron, will follow in John Davidson's footsteps who was the former goalie for the NY Rangers, followed by being the color commentator on the Rangers TV broadcast, and eventually becoming the GM of the St Louis Blues. You never know...

[Eleven]

For the nth time:

The creation of a President of Hockey Operations position is silly and creates meaningless layers.  Someone ultimately is responsible for finding and signing players and coaching personnel.  It doesn't matter if you call that person POHO, GM, coach, owner, or grand poobah.  If they hire a POHO, whose sole delegee is the GM, what's the point?

If they want to hire an *advisor*, that's a different story.

And Amen if they're getting rid of Adams.  (NOT "Adam's.")

Edited 3 hours ago by Eleven

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, Eleven said:

For the nth time:

The creation of a President of Hockey Operations position is silly and creates meaningless layers.  Someone ultimately is responsible for finding and signing players and coaching personnel.  It doesn't matter if you call that person POHO, GM, coach, owner, or grand poobah.  If they hire a POHO, whose sole delegee is the GM, what's the point?

If they want to hire an *advisor*, that's a different story.

And Amen if they're getting rid of Adams.  (NOT "Adam's.)

I agree it would be meaningless, but I think I take comfort in that: it’s Adams and his role that will be essentially meaningless. We know in Buffalo it is the GM who is “ultimately responsible”, (they don’t even have a POHO right now. And yes, I get Terry gets “final say”, but someone is still bringing him the options to choose from and dressing them up as attractively/unattractively as they are apt to do.)

[pi2000]

Just now, Eleven said:

For the nth time:

The creation of a President of Hockey Operations position is silly and creates meaningless layers.  Someone ultimately is responsible for finding and signing players and coaching personnel.  It doesn't matter if you call that person POHO, GM, coach, owner, or grand poobah.  If they hire a POHO, whose sole delegee is the GM, what's the point?

If they want to hire an *advisor*, that's a different story.

And Amen if they're getting rid of Adams.  (NOT "Adam's.)

The POHO sets the strategic direction of the team....  What type of team do they want to build?   What type of players do they target?  What are the priorities?  coaching? goaltending?  Are they buying or selling?   The POHO provides direction to the GM who is responsible for executing on those directives.

Terry has been filling this role and it's an utter disaster.   

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

The POHO sets the strategic direction of the team....  What type of team do they want to build?   What type of players do they target?  What are the priorities?  coaching? goaltending?  Are they buying or selling?   The POHO provides direction to the GM who is responsible for executing on those directives.

Terry has been filling this role and it's an utter disaster.   

Why can't a GM make those decisions on his OR her own? 

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, Eleven said:

For the nth time:

The creation of a President of Hockey Operations position is silly and creates meaningless layers.  Someone ultimately is responsible for finding and signing players and coaching personnel.  It doesn't matter if you call that person POHO, GM, coach, owner, or grand poobah.  If they hire a POHO, whose sole delegee is the GM, what's the point?

If they want to hire an *advisor*, that's a different story.

And Amen if they're getting rid of Adams.  (NOT "Adam's.)

The point to me is more seasoned, veteran, and previously successful hockey people in the room making decisions utilizing their experience. Advisor, POHO, whatever. 
 

Prior to this year, it was just the GM and the owner…and neither had any experience running a hockey department. We need it to be different.  
We want more adults with hockey resumes in the room making decisions. And not the guy from the Harbor Center. Or the guy from Pittsburgh. 
 

Also, the POHO layer may put Pegula a layer away from decisions, which we would all be in favor of.

 

[Eleven]

2 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

The POHO sets the strategic direction of the team....  What type of team do they want to build?   What type of players do they target?  What are the priorities?  coaching? goaltending?  Are they buying or selling?   The POHO provides direction to the GM who is responsible for executing on those directives.

Terry has been filling this role and it's an utter disaster.   

That's the GM's job.  If, IF, Terry has been doing it, then he's not going to let a POHO do it, either.

[Indabuff]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I don't mind Adam's having another role in the organization. Hopefully it's just that higher up in the hockey department. 

Give him some kind of a hybrid role where he talks to the hockey people and works on the business side of things. Just they really got to flush out this entire front office.

Based on his tenure thus far, he'd probably ***** up handing out free beer as a KeyBank vendor.

[shrader]

18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Why can't a GM make those decisions on his OR her own? 

Plenty of them do.  The golden child around here of the president of hockey ops role is Bill Zito.  Florida created that position for him at the end of the season right before they started the playoff run to their first cup.  It was nothing more than a fancy title to give him a pay raise and that position has absolutely nothing to do with the team they've build... he built that before the title even existed in Florida.

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How can KA's wyrd hinge on the next two gamezies when they have 363 games beforehand to scrutinize?

[JP51]

I think this is bunk... and if it isnt its window dressing... promoting people like Appert and Keko internally, not doing a search, and not bringing in a trusted, tenured, respected Hockey mind that might start to break down our inability to trade for players because of NMCs as well as attract Free Agents...  I also dont think another incestuous internal promotional escapade with KA getting promoted to POHO is going to retain players that we want to stay... if they blow this one... people are gonna want out... 

[Thorny]

37 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

The POHO sets the strategic direction of the team....  What type of team do they want to build?   What type of players do they target?  What are the priorities?  coaching? goaltending?  Are they buying or selling?   The POHO provides direction to the GM who is responsible for executing on those directives.

Terry has been filling this role and it's an utter disaster.   

No, Adams has been filling that role and Terry has been enacting final say whenever he wants to pretend to himself  that he cares 

Adams is probably *moving* to POHO. There’s no reason it would be a position that gives his strategies a second try. Otherwise what is the point? The shifting of Jarmo to GM suggests it’s his turn at the wheel and that the GM is the one steering the ship 

[kas23]

2 hours ago, Thorny said:

Adams to POHO, who appoints the new GM? lol 

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/39216245/steve-staios-loses-interim-tag-named-senators-gm
 

Adams as POHO will do a “search” for GM and find out he is the best candidate. 

[JP51]

Just now, Thorny said:

No, Adams has been filling that role and Terry has been enacting final say whenever he wants to pretend to himself  that he cares 

Adams is probably *moving* to POHO. There’s no reason it would be a position that gives his strategies a second try. Otherwise what is the point? The shifting of Jarmo to GM suggests it’s his turn at the wheel and that the GM is the one steering the ship 

It does but if Adams is POHO and Jarmo is GM to me thats the same two guys running the team...  like getting your change 2 quarters or 5 dimes... yeah there is a difference... but it adds up the same...  clearly what I am saying can be refuted... there are ways to make this impactful... but the bottom line is that if Pegula's idea of big change is to augment the roles of the 2 people in charge and promote a failed assistant coach after 14 years of being a laughing stock... I can only imagine the laughter gets louder... and the failure more pervasive... 

[Brawndo]

Tim Graham mentioned Adams is in His Final Hours on his Podcast 

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, JP51 said:

It does but if Adams is POHO and Jarmo is GM to me thats the same two guys running the team...  like getting your change 2 quarters or 5 dimes... yeah there is a difference... but it adds up the same...  clearly what I am saying can be refuted... there are ways to make this impactful... but the bottom line is that if Pegula's idea of big change is to augment the roles of the 2 people in charge and promote a failed assistant coach after 14 years of being a laughing stock... I can only imagine the laughter gets louder... and the failure more pervasive... 

I guess I just think it matters. I think a title change is indicative of an actual change in who’s behind the wheel day to day 

Just now, Brawndo said:

Tim Graham mentioned Adams is in His Final Hours on his Podcast 

I’m so ready to be back 

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3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Tim Graham mentioned Adams is in His Final Hours on his Podcast 

Is he in hospice?

[Brawndo]

His sources are saying this is the end for Adams 

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I guess I just think it matters. I think a title change is indicative of an actual change in who’s behind the wheel day to day 

I’m so ready to be back 

@Thornyit does matter... and I would take that instead of nothing....  I just think he needs to up and admit he has failed miserably and bring in a whole new crew before the season ends to evaluate this mess and decide when our future looks like... but we are all tired... and frustrated with this incompetence... some thing has to give.