Doan > Peterka?

[PerreaultForever]

is it just me or does Doan look like a young Denis Leary?

 

[North Buffalo]

14 hours ago, msw2112 said:

Kesserling was the main piece coming back to the Sabres in the Peterka trade, but Doan is definitely more than just a throw in.  For the season so far, Kesserling has not played due to injury, but Doan has been off to a good start.  I was curious to see how his stats so far compare to Peterka's:

Doan:  6 GP, 2 G, 3 A, 5 points, +1

Peterka:  7 GB, 2 G, 2 A, 4 points, +3

I'm not sure what's more surprising, that Doan has more points so far, in fewer games, or that Peterka has a positive plus/minus!

While I have not seen Peterka play for Utah, I can say that he brought less physical play, positive attitude, tenacity, aggressiveness, defensive play, and leadership to the Sabres than Doan now does.

Wouldn't it be something, if 1 for 1, Doan turns out to be a better player than Peterka, regardless of what Kesserling does?  So far, I'd say that's the case.  It's a long season and this is a small sample size, so I don't want to be unrealistic, but I'm interested to hear what others think.  I'd also add that even if Peterka's offensive stats turn out to be better, if you take Doan's offensive stats PLUS all of the intangibles he brings to the team, could he be deemed the overall better player anyway?  And then add in whatever Kesserling brings to the table, which might be quite a bit.  The Sabres could end up winning this trade in a big way.  Time will tell.  I'm not a huge fan of Adams, but it would be a feather in his cap the Sabres win this trade.

I said when the trade went down you guys were going to like him... I watch a lot of late night out west hockey and he was a growing force last year.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

I said when the trade went down you guys were going to like him... I watch a lot of late night out west hockey and he was a growing force last year.

So far, so good. 

 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

I said when the trade went down you guys were going to like him... I watch a lot of late night out west hockey and he was a growing force last year.

I didn’t watch him play before he came to Buffalo. It seems to me that he was a young developing player with them who is now crossing the threshold  to being a regular and established NHL player. 
 

What I like about him is that in Buffalo he recognized that he had an opportunity to play, and he has seized that opportunity. Another thing I like about him is that he knows what type of player he is (physical and net presence) and stays true to his game. He’s not a floater but rather a hard charger. He was a terrific addition.
 

I’ve been a harsh critic of KA, but in this case he made a team improving hockey deal. 

[bob_sauve28]

After seven games, Sabres top three point leaders: 

Quinn, Doan and Benson 

[Big Guava]

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

So far, so good. 

 

When evaluating a trade like this sometimes the stats don’t tell the full story. The added value that Doan adds go beyond the offensive stats. In my view, the Sabres are better and more balanced team with him. And if Kesserling plays up to expectations, this will become a terrific deal for us. And that is not to say that it won’t be a good deal for Utah.

[Pimlach]

I was happy to see Doan coming to Buffalo.  Word out west is that he played with a high motor.  Comparables to his Dad’s work ethic and personality were flattering, but can he finish?   That is the question.  So far in Buffalo he is making things happen and bringing a work ethic to the rink that Buffalo fans want to see.  

It’s early, but Doan is settling in.  Hope the long winter doesn’t bother him, he is a desert kid. 

[xzy89c1]

We need players like Doan who are high effort guys that play 200 feet. Hopefully his offense can stay consistent. If he is not scoring there is a lot more to his game. Peterka, if he does not score is not contributing anything really.

[xzy89c1]

27 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

After seven games, Sabres top three point leaders: 

Quinn, Doan and Benson 

I have only watched last three games. Quinn has not been good in two of those. He was better last night. Skated much better, and no bad giveaways i noticed. Hopefully, upward trend for him. I was really impressed with Thompson and his work ethic. He is working hard every shift. Playing 200 feet. Being physical in a smart way. Someone talked to him about what he needs to do to make the Olympic team. This is exactly how he needs to play. Exciting to see. The goals will come.

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I was happy to see Doan coming to Buffalo.  Word out west is that he played with a high motor.  Comparables to his Dad’s work ethic and personality were flattering, but can he finish?   That is the question.  So far in Buffalo he is making things happen and bringing a work ethic to the rink that Buffalo fans want to see.  

It’s early, but Doan is settling in.  Hope the long winter doesn’t bother him, he is a desert kid. 

You know one of the 1st things I look for in a scouting report? Motor. If it's not mentioned, fine. If it's mentioned negatively, bad bad. Positively, tell me more. Motor sometimes comes across as "relentless" or "high work rate" but Buffalo needs more.

Also Nikita Klepov. We need to draft him.

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You know one of the 1st things I look for in a scouting report? Motor. If it's not mentioned, fine. If it's mentioned negatively, bad bad. Positively, tell me more. Motor sometimes comes across as "relentless" or "high work rate" but Buffalo needs more.

Also Nikita Klepov. We need to draft him.

Maybe it's the hair but are we sure, he's a he? 

 

[JoeSchmoe]

32 minutes ago, xzy89c1 said:

I have only watched last three games. Quinn has not been good in two of those. He was better last night. Skated much better, and no bad giveaways i noticed. Hopefully, upward trend for him. I was really impressed with Thompson and his work ethic. He is working hard every shift. Playing 200 feet. Being physical in a smart way. Someone talked to him about what he needs to do to make the Olympic team. This is exactly how he needs to play. Exciting to see. The goals will come.

I thought Thompson looked lethargic at times. 

[LGR4GM]

37 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Maybe it's the hair but are we sure, he's a he? 

 

Idc if he's an alien, they keep playing the way they are, draft them. He runs his line and is a blast. 8g, 10a in 11 games. 2nd in the OHL in points. 

[Pimlach]

51 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You know one of the 1st things I look for in a scouting report? Motor. If it's not mentioned, fine. If it's mentioned negatively, bad bad. Positively, tell me more. Motor sometimes comes across as "relentless" or "high work rate" but Buffalo needs more.

Also Nikita Klepov. We need to draft him.

Yeah,  Benson has a motor, so does Doan.  We need to add more players like this.  Maybe Helenius someday?  

Kozak - I would not call him high motor as in high speed, but he plays smart-motor, he is steady and efficient.   When Mike Peca was an Amerks coach he spoke highly of Kozak and thought he had good potential.  

I think we are seeing that now.  Maybe Kozak could project to a 10-12 goal 4C, and one that can shut down the opponent.  He looks sturdy and he plays a smart game.  He is just 22, but I can see him being a savvy vet someday.  His AHL days could be coming to an end and he has to clear waivers to go back to Rochester.  

It will be interesting when UPL, Greenway, Danforth, and Norris come back.  If we keep 3  goalies for awhile what will we do with the excess forwards?

Gertie will be waived.   

Kozak vs Krebs is an interesting decision for Adams.  As well as Danforth vs Malenstyn vs Greenway.  

 

[LGR4GM]

11 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yeah,  Benson has a motor, so does Doan.  We need to add more players like this.  Maybe Helenius someday?  

Kozak - I would not call him high motor as in high speed, but he plays smart-motor, he is steady and efficient.   When Mike Peca was an Amerks coach he spoke highly of Kozak and thought he had good potential.  

I think we are seeing that now.  Maybe Kozak could project to a 10-12 goal 4C, and one that can shut down the opponent.  He looks sturdy and he plays a smart game.  He is just 22, but I can see him being a savvy vet someday.  His AHL days could be coming to an end and he has to clear waivers to go back to Rochester.  

It will be interesting when UPL, Greenway, Danforth, and Norris come back.  If we keep 3  goalies for awhile what will we do with the excess forwards?

Gertie will be waived.   

Kozak vs Krebs is an interesting decision for Adams.  As well as Danforth vs Malenstyn vs Greenway.  

 

Brodie Ziemer too

[JohnC]

17 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yeah,  Benson has a motor, so does Doan.  We need to add more players like this.  Maybe Helenius someday?  

Kozak - I would not call him high motor as in high speed, but he plays smart-motor, he is steady and efficient.   When Mike Peca was an Amerks coach he spoke highly of Kozak and thought he had good potential.  

I think we are seeing that now.  Maybe Kozak could project to a 10-12 goal 4C, and one that can shut down the opponent.  He looks sturdy and he plays a smart game.  He is just 22, but I can see him being a savvy vet someday.  His AHL days could be coming to an end and he has to clear waivers to go back to Rochester.  

It will be interesting when UPL, Greenway, Danforth, and Norris come back.  If we keep 3  goalies for awhile what will we do with the excess forwards?

Gertie will be waived.   

Kozak vs Krebs is an interesting decision for Adams.  As well as Danforth vs Malenstyn vs Greenway.  

 

Is Norris expected to come back this season? I'm aware that he has been injured prone but that was a big loss, especially for Tage. It seemed that last night Tage was playing a lot of solo hockey untethered to the line he was on. 

[Mustache of God]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

You know one of the 1st things I look for in a scouting report? Motor. If it's not mentioned, fine. If it's mentioned negatively, bad bad. Positively, tell me more. Motor sometimes comes across as "relentless" or "high work rate" but Buffalo needs more.

Also Nikita Klepov. We need to draft him.

"Motor" means the player has that inner-dog intangible. We need more of it.

Through 7 games the Peterka for Doan trade seems to be working, looking forward to seeing what we get from Kesselring. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Mustache of God

[Drag0nDan]

5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yeah,  Benson has a motor, so does Doan.  We need to add more players like this.  Maybe Helenius someday?  

Kozak - I would not call him high motor as in high speed, but he plays smart-motor, he is steady and efficient.   When Mike Peca was an Amerks coach he spoke highly of Kozak and thought he had good potential.  

I think we are seeing that now.  Maybe Kozak could project to a 10-12 goal 4C, and one that can shut down the opponent.  He looks sturdy and he plays a smart game.  He is just 22, but I can see him being a savvy vet someday.  His AHL days could be coming to an end and he has to clear waivers to go back to Rochester.  

It will be interesting when UPL, Greenway, Danforth, and Norris come back.  If we keep 3  goalies for awhile what will we do with the excess forwards?

Gertie will be waived.   

Kozak vs Krebs is an interesting decision for Adams.  As well as Danforth vs Malenstyn vs Greenway.  

 

I don't see much in Krebs game that i'd play him over kozak at this point.  If the entire roster is healthy I'd envision krebs as an extra skater, Östlund back in rochester, and danforth on waivers.  For goalies i'd probably carry 3 for a bit since someones bound to get hurt.  

[Porous Five Hole]

45 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yeah,  Benson has a motor, so does Doan.  We need to add more players like this.  Maybe Helenius someday?  

Kozak - I would not call him high motor as in high speed, but he plays smart-motor, he is steady and efficient.   When Mike Peca was an Amerks coach he spoke highly of Kozak and thought he had good potential.  

I think we are seeing that now.  Maybe Kozak could project to a 10-12 goal 4C, and one that can shut down the opponent.  He looks sturdy and he plays a smart game.  He is just 22, but I can see him being a savvy vet someday.  His AHL days could be coming to an end and he has to clear waivers to go back to Rochester.  

It will be interesting when UPL, Greenway, Danforth, and Norris come back.  If we keep 3  goalies for awhile what will we do with the excess forwards?

Gertie will be waived.   

Kozak vs Krebs is an interesting decision for Adams.  As well as Danforth vs Malenstyn vs Greenway.  

 

Ellis was good last night and seems like a nice kid, but why would we keep three goalies? Three healthy goalies creates more problems than it solves. 
 

I’m down on UPL more than anyone, but we are stuck with him. I could not imagine this GM would trade or waive him, so we thank Colten for his time here, waive him, and hope Lyon stays hot. 

[Drag0nDan]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You know one of the 1st things I look for in a scouting report? Motor. If it's not mentioned, fine. If it's mentioned negatively, bad bad. Positively, tell me more. Motor sometimes comes across as "relentless" or "high work rate" but Buffalo needs more.

Also Nikita Klepov. We need to draft him.

It's really not something you can teach.  

[Pimlach]

35 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Is Norris expected to come back this season? I'm aware that he has been injured prone but that was a big loss, especially for Tage. It seemed that last night Tage was playing a lot of solo hockey untethered to the line he was on. 

I think Norris' timeline was 1 month but I am not sure.  

Tage is taking heat here at Sabre Space.  7 games with 1 goal, 4 points and a -7 is not helping.   He is pressing out there no doubt.  

I expect he will get on a hot streak and the goals will come.  

[Drag0nDan]

11 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Ellis was good last night and seems like a nice kid, but why would we keep three goalies? Three healthy goalies creates more problems than it solves. 
 

I’m down on UPL more than anyone, but we are stuck with him. I could not imagine this GM would trade or waive him, so we thank Colten for his time here, waive him, and hope Lyon stays hot. 

I'm not sure when the clock runs out on the 30-day thing with STL - something like they automatically get him and he goes to their AHL affiliate (I'm not 100 percent certain on this rule so someone can feel free to clear it up).  Anyone else who claims him after that window has to keep him on their roster, so if you can wait out that period you might be able to send him to Rochester and waive Georgiev if he clears.  

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I think Norris' timeline was 1 month but I am not sure.  

Tage is taking heat here at Sabre Space.  7 games with 1 goal, 4 points and a -7 is not helping.   He is pressing out there no doubt.  

I expect he will get on a hot streak and the goals will come.  

He's had jumbly lines since the get-go with benson missing time and Norris being hurt in the first game.  I think he might have played center for a game.  It's certainly not good enough and he needs to play better though.  

[Pimlach]

21 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

I don't see much in Krebs game that i'd play him over kozak at this point.  If the entire roster is healthy I'd envision krebs as an extra skater, Östlund back in rochester, and danforth on waivers.  For goalies i'd probably carry 3 for a bit since someones bound to get hurt.  

I think Kozak game is passing Krebs right now.  Given all the injuries we will have more games to compare them and really get a closer look.  Krebs gave us 10 goals, playing a lot on the 4th line last season. He logged 81 games and was +1.   I don't dislike Krebs but if Kozak can be 4C then Krebs could be packaged for help somewhere else. 

When UPLs AHL assignment ends I would carry 3 goalies for awhile just to compare Ellis and UPL.   Lyon is the #1 until proven otherwise.  Or we waive Ellis and risk losing him to a goalie poor team, of which there are several.  

[Drag0nDan]

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

I think Kozak game is passing Krebs right now.  Given all the injuries we will have more games to compare them and really get a closer look.  Krebs gave us 10 goals, playing a lot on the 4th line last season. He logged 81 games and was +1.   I don't dislike Krebs but if Kozak can be 4C then Krebs could be packaged for help somewhere else. 

When UPLs AHL assignment ends I would carry 3 goalies for awhile just to compare Ellis and UPL.   Lyon is the #1 until proven otherwise.  Or we waive Ellis and risk losing him to a goalie poor team, of which there are several.  

Just an eye test thing for me.  Kozak seems faster, more determined in the forecheck, and more committed to getting to dirty areas.  I dont expect tic-tac-toe on the 4th line, and he just seems to have a better direct game than krebs at the moment.