Josh Dunne recalled by Sabres

[Brawndo]

Per Sabres PR

[LGR4GM]

Sigh, guess Norris will be awhile 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Sigh, guess Norris will be awhile 

It's he in for Norris or is he replacing Geertsen?

[Eleven]

Death Be Not Proud.

[LGR4GM]

37 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

It's he in for Norris or is he replacing Geertsen?

Don't see anything saying Gerrtsen was waived so

Another stupid addition to the roster this time by Lindy Ruff, Gerrsten

 

[DarthEbriate]

Le sigh. You're welcome, Amerks! You don't get to have your heart-and-soul AHL-level stud veteran in the lineup for opening night. You also don't get Kozak or either Bryson/Johnson because of injuries. 

Dunne should've been in the lineup and Geertsen waived to Rochester based on play in the preseason, but they had to keep Ruff happy. Now, you've got 2 fourth line low-minute energy guys at the NHL level instead of one.

Edited October 10 by DarthEbriate

[PerreaultForever]

I just want to show some more love for Dunne. I do not want him out of the line up if/when injury guys return. He has added a more physical dynamic and brought out physicality in others since being added. This has been missing for years. 

Utah game was the first time in I can't remember how long that the Sabres were the physically dominant team. Maybe they play bigger with Geertson around too and maybe Greenway and Doan have changed things. Samuelsson clearly plays bigger this year. All positive signs, but I see Dunne as a catalyst and he has earned his spot. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I just want to show some more love for Dunne. I do not want him out of the line up if/when injury guys return. He has added a more physical dynamic and brought out physicality in others since being added. This has been missing for years. 

Utah game was the first time in I can't remember how long that the Sabres were the physically dominant team. Maybe they play bigger with Geertson around too and maybe Greenway and Doan have changed things. Samuelsson clearly plays bigger this year. All positive signs, but I see Dunne as a catalyst and he has earned his spot. 

Samuelsson and Greenway have both been significantly more physical than they've been in past seasons.  Don't know if it's due to Ruff harping on physicality ordue to guys like Doan, Dunne, Timmons, and Benson setting the example and shaming the others into playing more physical.  Probably a bit of both.

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I just want to show some more love for Dunne. I do not want him out of the line up if/when injury guys return. He has added a more physical dynamic and brought out physicality in others since being added. This has been missing for years. 

Utah game was the first time in I can't remember how long that the Sabres were the physically dominant team. Maybe they play bigger with Geertson around too and maybe Greenway and Doan have changed things. Samuelsson clearly plays bigger this year. All positive signs, but I see Dunne as a catalyst and he has earned his spot. 

Geertsen is getting about 4 mins a game when he plays, he is often a liability. 

Dunne can do what Geertsen does and actually play 10+ minutes of much better hockey for you.  

[DarthEbriate]

Dunne was the better player all preseason (and is the better AHL player, too). If anyone should've been the enforcer type to make the team, it should have been Dunne. And, except maybe his first game this year where he was a bit slow and took a bad penalty, he's been OK.

That said, Greenway's return takes him out of the lineup as soon as the NHL guys return. He's behind Greenway, Malenstyn, Kozak, Krebs, and Danforth for 4th line minutes.

Then, it's a matter of: if Ruff is dead set on Geertsen, then he's the 13/14th forward (depending on 3 goalies) and Dunne gets to go reprise his top-6 role with the Amerks. And if Ruff can be convinced to let his Geertsen go, then Dunne can be 14: but you'll eventually have to waive Kozak or Malenstyn who both bring a ton more to the ice in terms of PK and speed, or to make a trade.

[Doohickie]

3 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

And if Ruff can be convinced to let his Geertsen go

Not until he's finished with it.

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Geertsen is getting about 4 mins a game when he plays, he is often a liability. 

Dunne can do what Geertsen does and actually play 10+ minutes of much better hockey for you.  

I understand that, but sometimes just having the guy there can make a difference. It's kind of like how big and tough a little kid will act on the playground if his big brother is there beside within earshot. That might seem a silly example, but if you think about it, hockey really isn't that different from kids on a playground. 

[bg17]

7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I understand that, but sometimes just having the guy there can make a difference. It's kind of like how big and tough a little kid will act on the playground if his big brother is there beside within earshot. That might seem a silly example, but if you think about it, hockey really isn't that different from kids on a playground. 

 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, bg17 said:

 

This can't be! I was told that Geertsen matters and that his toughness was a reason others were tough now. He's the engine of the team! The engine!

Seriously, Ruff needs to waive him. 

[PromoTheRobot]

58 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This can't be! I was told that Geertsen matters and that his toughness was a reason others were tough now. He's the engine of the team! The engine!

Seriously, Ruff needs to waive him. 

Ruff felt he needed a goon around. But players like Dunne and Greenway, even Krebs are showing the same willingness to throw down.

[inkman]

17 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I just want to show some more love for Dunne. I do not want him out of the line up if/when injury guys return. He has added a more physical dynamic and brought out physicality in others since being added. This has been missing for years. 

Utah game was the first time in I can't remember how long that the Sabres were the physically dominant team. Maybe they play bigger with Geertson around too and maybe Greenway and Doan have changed things. Samuelsson clearly plays bigger this year. All positive signs, but I see Dunne as a catalyst and he has earned his spot. 

Dunne’s foot speed is an issue. He’s was caught on two breakaways before he hit center ice while on the Amerks. It’s going to cost the Sabre defensively at some point. 

[inkman]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

This can't be! I was told that Geertsen matters and that his toughness was a reason others were tough now. He's the engine of the team! The engine!

Seriously, Ruff needs to waive him. 

At some point, you are going to have to let this go.  Some of us got caught up on the moment as the Sabres finally resembled an NHL with camaraderie, toughness and sticking up for one another. It was difficult to figure out why as they only added a few new players so Geertsen was attributed as having an impact.  Clearly, it’s something else.  
 

Hard to say if it was the addition of Doan and Kesselring (who hadn’t played when this revelation occurred) or something we as fans aren’t privy to. This years team is drastically different.  Maybe removing guys who went above and beyond to avoid team toughness exercises, like Peterka.  Hard to say exactly what did it but things are different now. That being said, a week from now they’ll probably get bullied by another team and we all tuck our tails between our legs. 

[shrader]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Ruff felt he needed a goon around. But players like Dunne and Greenway, even Krebs are showing the same willingness to throw down.

Maybe it’s an attitude of “we need to take it up a notch so that we can get rid of this waste of space”.  Geerston’s contribution to this team is “they can’t get rid of me soon enough”.

[Jorcus]

2 hours ago, inkman said:

Dunne’s foot speed is an issue. He’s was caught on two breakaways before he hit center ice while on the Amerks. It’s going to cost the Sabre defensively at some point. 

Dunne seems like the kind of AHL player that can come up and give you 10 good games before the grind of the NHL becomes reality and trying hard is just not enough to get you through.

[PerreaultForever]

8 hours ago, bg17 said:

 

So your assertion is because Geertson was in the line up they lost. Is that it?

The other night I watched Philly beat Montreal. DesLauriers was in the line up. He got about 4 minutes (if that) (but he did have a fight with jackhole). So I guess they didn't get the memo. 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, inkman said:

Dunne’s foot speed is an issue. He’s was caught on two breakaways before he hit center ice while on the Amerks. It’s going to cost the Sabre defensively at some point. 

I won't disagree with that but he brings a different dynamic. Lots of 4th liners in the league have foot speed issues. That's why they are 4th liners. They bring something else though and he does. 

Nobody will argue against upgrading these sort of guys but for the time being they are the best you have. I'm never going to agree with the idea that we need 4 skilled speed lines (not saying you do, but some people push for this at times). As a GM I'd always be looking for Tom Wilson types for my team but they are hard to find and when teams do they don't want to give them up. 

Right now I think Dunne makes the 4th line look better. Malentstyn for example is hitting more playing with him. I think that's not a coincidence. One guy brings it out in other guys. 

[inkman]

9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I won't disagree with that but he brings a different dynamic. Lots of 4th liners in the league have foot speed issues. That's why they are 4th liners. They bring something else though and he does. 

Nobody will argue against upgrading these sort of guys but for the time being they are the best you have. I'm never going to agree with the idea that we need 4 skilled speed lines (not saying you do, but some people push for this at times). As a GM I'd always be looking for Tom Wilson types for my team but they are hard to find and when teams do they don't want to give them up. 

Right now I think Dunne makes the 4th line look better. Malentstyn for example is hitting more playing with him. I think that's not a coincidence. One guy brings it out in other guys. 

Their 4th line resembles a 4th line for the first time in years. When Danforth returns, that will change the dynamic and I’m not sure for the better.  Adam’s swung and missed woefully last season with the Lafferty, Malenstyn whoever else was thrown into that mess. Looks like Beck may be fine with the right linemates.  I like Dunne and hope he continues to find a role on the Sabres. 

[DarthEbriate]

17 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

So your assertion is because Geertson was in the line up they lost. Is that it?

The other night I watched Philly beat Montreal. DesLauriers was in the line up. He got about 4 minutes (if that) (but he did have a fight with jackhole). So I guess they didn't get the memo. 

There is value to a good tough guy, but Geertsen is not that guy. Perhaps if Geertsen had gotten into a fight in one of the Sabres' losses they would have won instead>

Dunne is the only "dress vs. tough teams" guy they would need on the roster because of all the other folks listed up thread. 

 

For the record. DesLauriers skated 6:24 in that PHI-MTL game. 

DesLauriers is 34 years old, has played almost 800 NHL games, and although he's slower now -- he still good enough speed to get around the ice and make tons of hits (now over 2000 in his career). And when DLo wants to go no one laughs at him. He's an NHL player (not a great one, but still effective in small doses). Geertsen is a bottom six AHLer. 

[bg17]

57 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

So your assertion is because Geertson was in the line up they lost. Is that it?

The other night I watched Philly beat Montreal. DesLauriers was in the line up. He got about 4 minutes (if that) (but he did have a fight with jackhole). So I guess they didn't get the memo. 

It’s not my assertion. It’s merely a data point. How many more, if any, games of similar “success” would you require before considering a different approach?

[Pimlach]

Dunne is from the St Louis area, about 45 minutes west of downtown.  

Maybe he will score tonight.