Kevyn Adams Press Scrum, July 2, 2025

[Turbo44]

2 minutes ago, mphs mike said:

Well said, from a 63 yo that has been a fan since September 1970

Yep - i remember around 5 in the early 70s going to our seats 2nd row from top in the oranges. I was a “lap kid” for a lot longer than I should have been. This product is disgusting

[Brawndo]

11 hours ago, dudacek said:

Can’t argue, haven’t seen him play.

But he played 25 NHL games for a coach named Lindy Ruff, who used to use Andrew Peters 5 minutes a night, 50-odd games a year. He now coaches a team that has a reputation for not being able to handle the rough stuff, has no one like that in their system, and just signed Geertsen to a contract.

I have a feeling we’re going to see this guy this year.

What you predict, or what you prefer?

Prediction, there are rumblings that Lindy is not a Malenstyn Fan

[Archie Lee]

36 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Prediction, there are rumblings that Lindy is not a Malenstyn Fan

General question, not directed specifically to you:   Why should a fan believe that Danforth and Doan are different than Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, and Malenstyn?

[Turbo44]

9 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

General question, not directed specifically to you:   Why should a fan believe that Danforth and Doan are different than Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, and Malenstyn?

No reason really. Probably cant be worse though. Doan has some scoring upside that none of the others do

[JohnC]

49 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Prediction, there are rumblings that Lindy is not a Malenstyn Fan

It appears that last year's lower line remake is being disassembled into another this year's remake. Step forward and then step back. It's called the cha cha strategy. Back and forth and back and forth. 

[GoPuckYourself]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Prediction, there are rumblings that Lindy is not a Malenstyn Fan

I had no issues with Malenstyn’s play other than he doesn’t score much. He was high energy, good on puck battles, throwing his body around so no wonder Ruff doesn’t like him, he’s not a cream puff like Power.

 

Also where are you getting this information from?

Edited 6 hours ago by GoPuckYourself

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Prediction, there are rumblings that Lindy is not a Malenstyn Fan

 

37 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I had no issues with Malenstyn’s play other than he doesn’t score much. He was high energy, good on puck battles, throwing his body around so no wonder Ruff doesn’t like him, he’s not a cream puff like Power.

 

Also where are you getting this information from?

Well, Malenstyn did play 10:30 a night last year, by far the lowest of the leftover Sabre regulars

 

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

General question, not directed specifically to you:   Why should a fan believe that Danforth and Doan are different than Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, and Malenstyn?

I think its inevitable that fans be skeptical of most things the Adams regime does because of their track record.

In terms of the 4th line, I wonder how much of last season was chicken and how much egg: did Lindy limit their usage because their play was disappointing, or was their play disappointing because Lindy limited their usage?

Lafferty's play surprised me. I liked his game as a Canuck, and he seemed to be a decent, energetic role player in his other stops. He was a non-entity here — he didn't play like I remembered him playing — and I have no idea why.

My expectations of Danforth this summer are kinda like my expectations for Lafferty last summer; that's who he's been, albeit maybe for a shorter period of time.

My expectations for Aube-Kubel were less. He'd never been a fulltime skater anywhere else and he wasn't young. Sometimes those guys land in the perfect spot and reel off a decent year. More times they don't. He didn't.

Doan is not like the others. He has excellent grinder qualities, but he's not some longshot minor league vet persevering on the margins of the NHL. He's a legitimate NHL prospect with a higher-end toolbox: a former high 2nd-rounder entering his 3rd year pro.

I posted this previously along with the note that Doan is two years older:

Career pro stats

• Kulich NHL GP: 63 15/9/24
• Doan NHL GP: 62 12/16/28
• Kulich AHL GP: 123 53/41/94
• Doan AHL GP: 104 40/38/78

There's an upside with this one

Edited 5 hours ago by dudacek

[Brawndo]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

General question, not directed specifically to you:   Why should a fan believe that Danforth and Doan are different than Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, and Malenstyn?

There is some analytics based data that shows Doan and Danforth are better at recovering dump ins and have better fancy stats. 
 

Doan does the potential to be a Middle Six Forward. 

1 hour ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I had no issues with Malenstyn’s play other than he doesn’t score much. He was high energy, good on puck battles, throwing his body around so no wonder Ruff doesn’t like him, he’s not a cream puff like Power.

 

Also where are you getting this information from?

I hear stuff from time to time 

[triumph_communes]

Hhhhg

Edited 4 hours ago by triumph_communes

[shrader]

2 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

General question, not directed specifically to you:   Why should a fan believe that Danforth and Doan are different than Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, and Malenstyn?

At least with Doan there’s the age factor. He’s just coming out of his ELC and is 4-9 years younger than anyone else on that list. The rest are what they are, but he’s still developing. 

[French Collection]

Just now, Brawndo said:

Doan does the potential to be a Middle Six Forward. 

This is what will help the deal go from magic beans to a hockey trade that tilts in Buffalo’s favour.
All three players have upside, with Doan being the most unproven at the NHL level. If Doan becomes a power forward who scores near 20 goals and is a physical forechecking beast, then his value will not be far below JJP’s current worth. JJP at 30 goals but a defensive black hole is not worth much more than Doan at 20 plus intangibles.

If JJP goes off and becomes a perennial 35-40 goal man then Kesselring will have to hit his ceiling to make this deal a good one.

[shrader]

11 minutes ago, French Collection said:

This is what will help the deal go from magic beans to a hockey trade that tilts in Buffalo’s favour.
All three players have upside, with Doan being the most unproven at the NHL level. If Doan becomes a power forward who scores near 20 goals and is a physical forechecking beast, then his value will not be far below JJP’s current worth. JJP at 30 goals but a defensive black hole is not worth much more than Doan at 20 plus intangibles.

If JJP goes off and becomes a perennial 35-40 goal man then Kesselring will have to hit his ceiling to make this deal a good one.

Unproven but NHL ready. For once, they didn’t add another 18-20 year old. 

[LGR4GM]

3 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

General question, not directed specifically to you:   Why should a fan believe that Danforth and Doan are different than Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, and Malenstyn?

I don't think Danforth will be much different. Doan though has some skills that I don't think the players mentioned did. There's a real drive to improve with him and he's got the pedigree and maturity to do it. I also think that when you look at his underlying numbers, there's some good things in there.

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

I hear stuff from time to time 

You should see a Dr about that... 

[Brawndo]

38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't think Danforth will be much different. Doan though has some skills that I don't think the players mentioned did. There's a real drive to improve with him and he's got the pedigree and maturity to do it. I also think that when you look at his underlying numbers, there's some good things in there.

You should see a Dr about that... 

They told me the first step is admitting I have a problem, 

 

SO

 

Hello my name is Brawndo and I am a Sabres Fan 

[Thorny]

7 hours ago, MISabresFan said:

I think this change in his plan buys KA a few more years as GM.

Almost assuredly 

5 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Prediction, there are rumblings that Lindy is not a Malenstyn Fan

There are also rumblings that waterworld is considered a bad film by some 

[Thorny]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

There is some analytics based data that shows Doan and Danforth are better at recovering dump ins and have better fancy stats. 
 

Doan does the potential to be a Middle Six Forward. 

I hear stuff from time to time 

We heard a lot about the good fancy stats of the 4th liners last year too 

also, miss me with the “middle 6” stuff. It doesn’t really fool anyone, it’s like what people say just to be nice. He’s a third liner

might as well call him “top 9”

connotations

Middle-6 = third liner

top-6 = second liner

bottom-6 = 4th liner

first liner = first liner

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thorny

[GoPuckYourself]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

There is some analytics based data that shows Doan and Danforth are better at recovering dump ins and have better fancy stats. 
 

Doan does the potential to be a Middle Six Forward. 

I hear stuff from time to time 

Voices? Don’t talk back to them, they don’t like that.

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

We heard a lot about the good fancy stats of the 4th liners last year too 

also, miss me with the “middle 6” stuff. It doesn’t really fool anyone, it’s like what people say just to be nice. He’s a third liner

might as well call him “top 9”

connotations

Middle-6 = third liner

top-6 = second liner

bottom-6 = 4th liner

first liner = first liner

 

I tend to use top, bottom and middle six for guys who can be either and whose slot depends on circumstances:

Peyton Krebs can and did put up legit 3rd line numbers last year, but you’d rather have him on your 4th line so I’d call him a bottom-sixer.

Jordan Greenway put up 4th-line numbers last year, but his all-around toolkit and per-game production is pretty clearly above that, at least to me, so I’d call him a bottom-sixer.

In Doan’s case, he was a 3rd-liner already last year based on production, but he didn’t say he was a middle-sixer, only that he has the potential to be. There’s nothing inaccurate about that when it comes to what Doan has done in his first two years pro.

Really though, these things mean different things to different people so it probably moot.

Edited 59 minutes ago by dudacek

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

They told me the first step is admitting I have a problem, 

 

SO

 

Hello my name is Brawndo and I am a Sabres Fan 

To me….being a Sabres fan is like having a bad disease…with no cure in sight.  Call it a long-term illness.  Maybe it could be an addiction too, but I can’t see myself stopping cold turkey or following a different team instead.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

They told me the first step is admitting I have a problem, 

 

SO

 

Hello my name is Brawndo and I am a Sabres Fan 

Go back to drinking. Sometimes falling off the wagon is better than being on that broken wagon. 

[Thorny]

14 minutes ago, dudacek said:

though, these things mean different things to different people so it probably moot.

Ya man I mean you took it a little seriously. My point is kinda self explanatory not a rigid data based metric: usually guys you hear called “bottom 6” are guys you’d ideally want on your 4th line, etc 

no one is calling a true first liner “top 6”. MacKinnon isn’t a “top 6” player 

my post was a poke about the intricacies and nature of human language and verbiage more so that strictly statistically based 

14 minutes ago, dudacek said:

In Doan’s case, he was a 3rd-liner already last year based on production, but he didn’t say he was a middle-sixer, only that he has the potential to be. There’s nothing inaccurate about that when it comes to what Doan has done in his first two years pro.

So then the statement is wrong regardless: he’s a mid 6er already not by potential 

the terminology is bad that’s my point. The vagueness of the terminology breeds error by nature 

Edited 45 minutes ago by Thorny

[Brawndo]

18 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Go back to drinking. Sometimes falling off the wagon is better than being on that broken wagon. 

I never stopped, it’s how I cope with being a Sabres Fan 

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

I never stopped, it’s how I cope with being a Sabres Fan 

If the Sabres should ever become a good and relevant franchise, I don't know how I would handle it. It would be so disorienting from my present normal. 😄

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

 

I hear stuff from time to time