Trade : Conor Timmins and Isaac Belliveau from the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for Connor Clifton and the 39th overall pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Here’s something I have not seen posted about:

If you had to identify the most frustrated Sabres last year would any of Cozens, Lafferty. Clifton, Peterka and Jokiharju not be on the list?

I wonder how many of square pegs with Ruff are left?

Who did they miss? Quinn maybe?  Samuelsson?

Guys that were healthy scratches that are still here: Quinn, Samuelsson, Malenstyn.

For frustrated guys from last year, you missed one, Aube-Kubel.  Guy never garnered any trust from Ruff.  (Not saying he should've had it; but he absolutely didn't.)

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well that's kind of my point. They threw him in as an extra. They saw him as a replaceable bottom end player. 

Embedded implies otherwise. Adams said the trade wasn’t happening cuz Utah would include Doan in the trade, they “consider him a glue piece to the team.”

he’s may not be a top 6 forward but he’s not a throw-in either 

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

That's debatable. Highly debatable based on what we know. 

Well he hasn't done anything noteworthy in his NHL career yet. We shall see. 

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Few people are categorizing him as a top line forward. He’s a lower line forward who plays a hard style of game.

Again, we shall see how "hard" he is. That was the sales pitch on Malentstyn too. 

2 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Embedded implies otherwise. Adams said the trade wasn’t happening cuz Utah would include Doan in the trade, they “consider him a glue piece to the team.”

he’s may not be a top 6 forward but he’s not a throw-in either 

I don't believe a word "embedded" says. 

[Turbo44]

6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well he hasn't done anything noteworthy in his NHL career yet. We shall see. 

Again, we shall see how "hard" he is. That was the sales pitch on Malentstyn too. 

I don't believe a word "embedded" says. 

So embedded is acting, meaning they have Al the people read from a script? Interesting. I’m sure the opposing gms would love that 

[LGR4GM]

6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well he hasn't done anything noteworthy in his NHL career yet. We shall see. 

Again, we shall see how "hard" he is. That was the sales pitch on Malentstyn too. 

I don't believe a word "embedded" says. 

His... checks notes... 62 game nhl career? Well, that's certainly true. 

Idk what Doan will be but I don't think he's a toss in. Is he a 25pt bottom 6 guy with good defense or a 50pt top 6 guy with good defense? Guess we'll see but I'd bet this year will be up and down for him. 

[JP51]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

You're just wishing and hoping. It's all they leave us with every year. If this guy if that guy maybe him maybe maybe maybe. Rarely doe much of it come to fruition though. Utah obviously didn't feel this way about Doan or they wouldn't have made the deal. 

I readily admit that this is strictly my hope with almost no foundation behind it you are 100% correct in that assumption ... now you have to give something to get so I am not sure that Utah didnt have some hope for that but clearly they were not at all convinced ... 

[PromoTheRobot]

We can say anything we want and we're not right or wrong because we are just making it up as we go. 

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We can say anything we want and we're not right or wrong because we are just making it up as we go. 

What's wrong with that? That's the nature of following a team or sports in general before the games are actually played. As of today, I haven't met anyone who is prescient. Even successful gamblers lose a lot. That's the nature of the beast. 

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We can say anything we want and we're not right or wrong because we are just making it up as we go. 

I suppose, but particular judgments will be proven more or less correct or not by how the future plays out. So far, the bleak side is on a fourteen year winning streak. Let's hope the ridiculous odds for even a badly run team missing the playoffs that length of time finally tilt in favor of the long-suffering fans. (Unless, of course, one secretly blames the fans, and believe they deserve it. There are the odd sadists out there who think like that.)

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Dr. Who

[PromoTheRobot]

12 minutes ago, JohnC said:

What's wrong with that? That's the nature of following a team or sports in general before the games are actually played. As of today, I haven't met anyone who is prescient. Even successful gamblers lose a lot. That's the nature of the beast. 

I guess it's mostly harmless, although it's very reminiscent of today's politics.

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I guess it's mostly harmless, although it's very reminiscent of today's politics.

Today's politics are much different. It's become a blood sport where the issue becomes dominating the opposition and shutting them out. The fuel is anger. What's lost is the ability to listen. I'm a strong believer that you learn more from people who you disagree with than you do with only listening to people who agree with you. It expands your horizons/perspectives. It seems everyone is in their own closed silo with little desire to open the door to alternative views. 

[7+6=13]

11 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Those are the MAIN PIECES. The other bigger change is Cozens/Norris as I've said repeatedly. The rest is non consequential. 

That wouldn't be another change as we've already experienced that change.  With rosters of 23, each new player is of at least some consequence.  

[LGR4GM]

21 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

That wouldn't be another change as we've already experienced that change.  With rosters of 23, each new player is of at least some consequence.  

We literally have not experienced the change from Cozens to Norris. The latter only played 3 games. 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

We literally have not experienced the change from Cozens to Norris. The latter only played 3 games. 

Quite honestly, I’d take a similar view for Ottawa too. Things are different when a player gets a full offseason and training camp with a new team.