Jack Quinn Re-signed 2x3.375mil

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Ehlers will get $7m/year in tax free states that have palm trees, 7.5m per for ones without palm trees and will turn down $15m/year in buffalo

The organization through its generation of foolishness created its own unattractive destination reputation. The only thing that is going to change that ugly reality is having some success. 

[dudacek]

Just now, Thorny said:

 

I know your views on Norris, but that was definitely made with the PP as part of the equation.

Last year aside, Quinn has generally been very good on the PP too.

Honestly, I think the biggest issue is the coaching.

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

I wanted them to move Peterka to maximize return, but i always thought the guy they were going to move was Quinn.

Now that Peterka is gone, this makes more sense. Benson is a better and Kulich was more reliable last year, but jack remains the most skilled of our remaining young wingers.

Still think the popular thought that Kulich is a shoe-in for a prime role is premature and frankly foolhardy when it comes to 1C

I didn’t want them to move Peterka at all. We are a forward short without him(and presumably even were, with him, given your eval on him) - you just said it. 

But, there’s a reasonable chance at this point they are happy switching Peterka out for Doan, and the big add being Kesselring 

I think we should prepare for the possibility Kesselring is the big add. 
 

we do know Adams really liked him 

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Still think there's another forward coming.

It's always possible.  The lineup is in desperate need of a legit playmaker.

Right now there are 12 forwards under contract:  Norris, Thompson, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Quinn, Lafferty, Krebs, Malenstyn, Benson, Doan and Kulich.  McLeod and Kozak are RFAs. That's 14 guys for likely 13 jobs.  I'd have no problem at all moving on from Krebs and Lafferty and bringing in an actual playmaker.

[mjd1001]

9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I know your views on Norris, but that was definitely made with the PP as part of the equation.

Last year aside, Quinn has generally been very good on the PP too.

Honestly, I think the biggest issue is the coaching.

Other than last year, Quinn has never scored more than a single goal on the PP in an entire season.  

In terms of goals per 60 on the PP, he's been pretty much the worst forward on the team of anyone that gets significant time on the PP.  He is right about 1 goal per 60 PP, Zucker and Tage are over 3, Okposo and VO were over 2, Skinner right near 2, Peterka at 1.3, Tuch at 1.1, even Greenway was a few percentage points ahead of Quinn.

One area he NEEDs to get better at is on the PP, and going to the front of the net might help (an area he was allergic to or just afraid to go to last year) For comparison sake, the 'high danger' area of the ice (right in front of the crease), Alex Tuch had 65 shot on net from that area. Quinn had 10.   Tuch averaged not too far from one per game. Quinn got one every 2 weeks.

I WANT Quinn to be better, and I'm hoping he had some lingering injury issues last year. But he might have been the single worst forward on the team last year.

Edited 4 hours ago by mjd1001

[Taro T]

27 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I wanted them to move Peterka to maximize return, but i always thought the guy they were going to move was Quinn.

Now that Peterka is gone, this makes more sense. Benson is a better and Kulich was more reliable last year, but jack remains the most skilled of our remaining young wingers.

Still think the popular thought that Kulich is a shoe-in for a prime role is premature and frankly foolhardy when it comes to 1C

Yeah, hate the idea of Kulich being anywhere above the 3C (which on a well built team is actually McLeod's role) unless he flat out takes it from somebody else.

Stop pencilling the kids in at the top of the roster before they've actually earned.

Edited 4 hours ago by Taro T
Above, not about.

[LGR4GM]

The pp problem is strategy not players. At least imo.

[Ctaeth]

Who goes out for the season first?  Quinn, Norris, Greenway, or Sammie?

Edited 4 hours ago by Ctaeth

[darksabre]

1 minute ago, Ctaeth said:

Who goes out for the season first?  Quinn, Norris or Greenway?

All three at once, in an event that will only be spoken of in dark back rooms and alleyways. 

[Thorny]

I’m sort of annoyed the reports say we’d be angling for like a 12th overall pick back in moving 9. Just a complete refusal to commit 

trade the pick outright, then you don’t have to add 

[GASabresIUFAN]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The pp problem is strategy not players. At least imo.

Although a good playmaker would help.

[mjd1001]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The pp problem is strategy not players. At least imo.

When you watch replays of PP goals, a lot of them (I'd say close to half) are a version of "puck luck"  Deflections, bounces, a loose puck in the crease that someone whacks away at until it goes in.  It was only one Saturday night early in the season, but I watched the replays of every single PP goal and the majority of them were 'dirty goals'.

So, is it coaching that tells the players to not get to the front of the net? Maybe. Or is it players refusing to go to the front of the net and instead want the pretty pass or the pretty one timer?  It could be that too.  As I mentioned above, Quinn refused to go to the front of the net last year for some reason.

[Thorny]

Rust - Kulich - Thompson

Benson - Norris - Tuch

Zucker - McLeod - Doan

Greenway - Krebs - Quinn

.. better?  
 

 

edit - personally I think it makes a substantial difference. At least a positive start. If I could do 9 for Rust straight up (they keep 12, we keep Helenius) I’d jump on it 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thorny

[tom webster]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

 I am very interested to see how Quinn responds to the new strength and conditioning coach 

I think he’s the kind of guy that looks at what JJP got and knows he can get his and expect a big year.

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I’m sort of annoyed the reports say we’d be angling for like a 12th overall pick back in moving 9. Just a complete refusal to commit 

trade the pick outright, then you don’t have to add 

If I can trade 9 and Rosen for Rust and 12, I'm. Mildly interested

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

If I can trade 9 and Rosen for Rust and 12, I'm. Mildly interested

I just don’t think Rosen is going to fetch Rust. 9-12 I don’t think is a big deal

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

 

I usually see Quinn on right but ya on the left a lot too. Not worried about the functionality there merely the overall talent and aptitude of the group 

I agree with that tweet. I’m not outright down on Quinn. I like the kid. I still think he has upside. I hope he busts loose this year. But he was a net negative player last year. You can’t pay almost $3.5 million to a player without greater certainty that they will positively impact your team. Whether they spend to the cap or have an internal cap, that’s money that needs to be spent on a more sure thing, in my view. I guess he could still be traded. But this makes it less likely, I think. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Archie Lee

[Thorny]

And it’s still hedging. Cut bait and trade the pick. Don’t limit the “now” return to keep draft pick value 

[Trettioåtta]

I like Rust, but his age, contract and potentially being propped up by Crosby means I wouldn't trade too much for him 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

When you watch replays of PP goals, a lot of them (I'd say close to half) are a version of "puck luck"  Deflections, bounces, a loose puck in the crease that someone whacks away at until it goes in.  It was only one Saturday night early in the season, but I watched the replays of every single PP goal and the majority of them were 'dirty goals'.

So, is it coaching that tells the players to not get to the front of the net? Maybe. Or is it players refusing to go to the front of the net and instead want the pretty pass or the pretty one timer?  It could be that too.  As I mentioned above, Quinn refused to go to the front of the net last year for some reason.

It's coaching.  The last year Bob Woods was in Buffalo, the team had a great PP.  The next year it had the same personnel but Woods was gone.  And it stunk.  Midway through the year, O'Reilly lobbied to change it up to what they had been doing the year before and it got very good again.

HOW you play is how those dirty opportunities get created.

And since Woods left, except for the latter part of '17-'18 and that 6 or so week period when the Sabres figured out Thompson had a deadly 1 timer but nobody around the league figured that out for themselves, it has been hot trash.  

BRING BACK BOB WOODS.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Evolving Hockey nailed this contract projection 

 

I don't subscribe to Elon's snakepit anymore. What does he say?

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

And it’s still hedging. Cut bait and trade the pick. Don’t limit the “now” return to keep draft pick value 

Would rather they give up 9 for Rust than 9 & Helenius for 12 & Rust.

Helenius is going to be a very good one.

[Thorny]

4 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Would rather they give up 9 for Rust than 9 & Helenius for 12 & Rust.

Helenius is going to be a very good one.

Trading 9 for Rust would be a no brainer imo. It’s an asset we’ve never known and will never miss for a legitimate top 6 player. Can’t we value the moment? 

We don’t need the pick. Forget about “market value” as determined by EA sports just one time 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

[dudacek]

20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

It's always possible.  The lineup is in desperate need of a legit playmaker.

Right now there are 12 forwards under contract:  Norris, Thompson, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Quinn, Lafferty, Krebs, Malenstyn, Benson, Doan and Kulich.  McLeod and Kozak are RFAs. That's 14 guys for likely 13 jobs.  I'd have no problem at all moving on from Krebs and Lafferty and bringing in an actual playmaker.

Question for everybody, because you’re certainly not alone in doing this:

Why do NHL roster projections often include Kozak? He was an injury fill-in last year with a very limited ceiling.

Is simply a n7mbers thing, or do people actually want/see him as someon on the opening night roster?

19 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Other than last year, Quinn has never scored more than a single goal on the PP in an entire season.  

In terms of goals per 60 on the PP, he's been pretty much the worst forward on the team of anyone that gets significant time on the PP.  He is right about 1 goal per 60 PP, Zucker and Tage are over 3, Okposo and VO were over 2, Skinner right near 2, Peterka at 1.3, Tuch at 1.1, even Greenway was a few percentage points ahead of Quinn.

One area he NEEDs to get better at is on the PP, and going to the front of the net might help (an area he was allergic to or just afraid to go to last year) For comparison sake, the 'high danger' area of the ice (right in front of the crease), Alex Tuch had 65 shot on net from that area. Quinn had 10.   Tuch averaged not too far from one per game. Quinn got one every 2 weeks.

I WANT Quinn to be better, and I'm hoping he had some lingering injury issues last year. But he might have been the single worst forward on the team last year.

Fair enough. I was mostly referring to the Quinn I watched in Rochester.

Dont really remember him getting significant time there in the NHL other than the start of last year when he was admitttedly terrible,

[thewookie1]

Just now, Thorny said:

Trading 9 for Rust would be a no brainer imo. It’s an asset we’ve never known and will never miss for a legitimate top 6 player. Can’t we value the moment 

We don’t need the pick. 

Well it’d be a dumb trade to move 9 for a 33 year old forward whom is propped up by Crosby. Rakell, sure but Rust is a hard NO