Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[LTS]

33 minutes ago, JohnC said:

My calculation is simple: if you don’t get a fair value return for him I. e. second line forward, then your team is not better if he is dealt. He’s more of an offensive defense than defensive stalwart. I recognize what his assets and liabilities are as a defender. But not getting a reasonable deal for him doesn’t help this team, it sets it back.  

I wasn't talking about your calculation.  I bolded "Byram" and "Byrum" used in your post within the first few sentences. 🙂

[Flashsabre]

This is so Adams. They are either going to get offer sheeted and have to match a contract more then they want to pay or let him go for draft picks which they don’t need and doesn’t help them get better.

LOL he said in his presser that they have been very strategic in preparing against an offer sheet. Translation: “we haven’t spent any money in case a team offer sheets our player we are trying to trade.”

I just can’t anymore with this f$&king GM. What an absolute 💩 show they are running.

Edited 12 hours ago by Flashsabre

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

If you are saying that Ruff isn’t much of a factor in these offseason transactions, then I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. 

No.  Ruff definitely has a say in the type of player he wants here.  But there are soooooooooo many posts here (not all yours, heck that one that was quoted might've been your only one) about how "oh, this was Ruff influenced" or "oh, that was Ruff."  Of course the GM is going to try to get players the coach wants (and get rid of ones he doesn't want) because if he doesn't, he needs to get rid of the coach, they necessarily aren't on the same page.

Adams got players Krueger wanted, he got players Granato wanted, and he's now getting players Ruff wants.  But at the end of the day, he "talks to Terry every single day," all of these moves are blessed by the higher power that Kevyn reports to.  No disrespect intended, and again, this isn't fully directed at you (but yours was the post that got the response, it's more directed at the post) but "the coach wanted this" or something to that effect isn't insightful and very likely isn't even fully correct.  Ruff either didn't want Bernard-Docker or more likely didn't care whether he was back or not.  They had their plan to get the D significanlty bigger; JBD doesn't bring larger.  

And at the end of the day; Ruff coaches the players he has and develops a system to run that works for THOSE players.  He has run significantly different systems at various stages of his 18 or so years as the HC of this team.  He could, and successfully did, coach JBD.

Edited 12 hours ago by Taro T

[dudacek]

Ruff certainly had a voice in wanting to add players like Doan, Kesselring and Danforth.

But other members of the brass, including Adams, probably did as well, and ultimately it was Adams who went out and got them.

I’d say the only player the Sabres acquired where Ruff had a more direct voice was Geertsen, who he actually coached.

[JohnC]

15 minutes ago, Taro T said:

No.  Ruff definitely has a say in the type of player he wants here.  But there are soooooooooo many posts here (not all yours, heck that one that was quoted might've been your only one) about how "oh, this was Ruff influenced" or "oh, that was Ruff."  Of course the GM is going to try to get players the coach wants (and get rid of ones he doesn't want) because if he doesn't, he needs to get rid of the coach, they necessarily aren't on the same page.

Adams got players Krueger wanted, he got players Granato wanted, and he's now getting players Ruff wants.  But at the end of the day, he "talks to Terry every single day," all of these moves are blessed by the higher power that Kevyn reports to.  No disrespect intended, and again, this isn't fully directed at you (but yours was the post that got the response, it's more directed at the post) but "the coach wanted this" or something to that effect isn't insightful and very likely isn't even fully correct.  Ruff either didn't want Bernard-Docker or more likely didn't care whether he was back or not.  They had their plan to get the D significanlty bigger; JBD doesn't bring larger.  

And at the end of the day; Ruff coaches the players he has and develops a system to run that works for THOSE players.  He has run significantly different systems at various stages of his 18 or so years as the HC of this team.  He could, and successfully did, coach JBD.

I'm sure you are aware of my attitude toward the GM and owner. I have been castigated for repeating my scorn. To put it mildly, I'm contemptuous of the both of them. When compared to the rest of the league for the caliber of other GMs and owners I rank the both of them at the bottom.  It's imprisoning and tough to break out of. That's the ugly reality that we are contending with.  

[ponokasabre]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Ruff certainly had a voice in wanting to add players like Doan, Kesselring and Danforth.

But other members of the brass, including Adams, probably did as well, and ultimately it was Adams who went out and got them.

I’d say the only player the Sabres acquired where Ruff had a more direct voice was Geertsen, who he actually coached.

And KA said in the video that Geertsen was Lindys idea as he had coached him, he almost made it sound like he could be here as the like 13th or 14th forward

 

I know nothing about the player to say if thats even possible

[JohnC]

54 minutes ago, LTS said:

I wasn't talking about your calculation.  I bolded "Byram" and "Byrum" used in your post within the first few sentences. 🙂

I gotcha. I'm a dullard whose obtuseness is often publicly demonstrated. 😃

Edited 11 hours ago by JohnC

[That Aud Smell]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I have been castigated 

7 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I’m a dullard whose obtuseness 

[JohnC]

19 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

I'm confident that you have more growth potential to work with. However, no need for any demonstrations. I'll take your word for it. 

[Huckleberry]

I think ***** all will happen, but how can you not trade him now anyway.  You basically told him that you rather hear offers for him than sign him to a new deal.

[dudacek]

So on his pod last night, Chad D is sticking with his trade prediction.

His implication is that there is a threat of an offer sheet that has forced the Sabres to focus on that particular team, and there is a desire from both teams to get a trade done instead.

There is also the implication that the Sabres think there is a deal worth making, but the other team hasn’t met their ask yet.

Chad thinks Adams is likely to draw a line in the sand today, where either a trade is made, or talks die, leaving Byram to decide between signing the sheet or negotiating a deal with the Sabres.

He never brought it up, but I think the team is Calgary.

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

I think ***** all will happen, but how can you not trade him now anyway.  You basically told him that you rather hear offers for him than sign him to a new deal.

I disagree. I think you told him you’d rather sign him, but you’re willing to hear offers to get him to a team with the role he wants.

[dudacek]

The tweet up-thread actually resonates with me as possible talking points

Andersson is an obvious need if Byram goes, signed or unsigned.

Pospisil is a youngish pest that fits the Sabres current direction.

Zary is a youngish middle-sixer with fading upside, kinda Krebs/Quinn territory.

Mews is a legit prospect who fits the mold of what the Sabres seem to like.

No idea what combination of those pieces we’re looking for or what is holding things up.

For all his flaws, Adams has shown he can be a stubborn seller.

Edited 10 hours ago by dudacek

[ponokasabre]

4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

So on his pod last night, Chad D is sticking with his trade prediction.

His implication is that there is a threat of an offer sheet that has forced the Sabres to focus on that particular team, and there is a desire from both teams to get a trade done instead.

There is also the implication that the Sabres think there is a deal worth making, but the other team hasn’t met their ask yet.

Chad thinks Adams is likely to draw a line in the sand today, where either a trade is made, or talks die, leaving Byram to decide between signing the sheet or negotiating a deal with the Sabres.

He never brought it up, but I think the team is Calgary.

Calgary would make so much sense as they have the assets and cap space to make the offer sheet. They also have some interesting options:

Rasmus Anderson - rumored to be on the move, vetoed a trade to LA cause he wouldnt extend there, would he waive to come to Buffalo to play with Dahlin? I dont know

Kevin Bahl -huge 25 year old defensman, they just extended him, so likely they arent moving him in a Byram deal, but he would fit the new hard to play against style.

They also have Jake Bean and Danili Miromanov but those are 6th defensmen at best.

 

For Forwards, ones that have no trade protection:

Joel Farabee - Struggled after getting traded to Calgary, former 50 point guy in Philly

Martin Pospisil - 25 year old power forward Czech, he has 300 hits last year! Would be a great buy low option that could have more potential, had 20 assists last year but only 4 goals

Connor Zary - 23 year old Center, smaller, similiar to Krebs, was injured last year, a pass first guy

Morgan Frost - 25ish I believe, another guy that struggled after the Philly trade

Adam Klapka - 24 year old Power Forward, was Calgarys best forward at times down the stretch last year, they just extended him, would they move him? I dont know

 

I think the unrealistic win trade would be Byram for Bahl, Id even do that straight up to be honest,

If Anderson will waive to come to Buffalo it would be possible to maybe get a Klapka or Pospisil added on as we are taking the older player with no term left on his deal. I could see them wanting to move Farabee as he didnt seem to fit there style of play

The home run deal is Byram for Bahl, and if you can make it Byram for Bahl and Pospisil that would be amazing but I doubt those happen

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, ponokasabre said:

Calgary would make so much sense as they have the assets and cap space to make the offer sheet. They also have some interesting options:

Rasmus Anderson - rumored to be on the move, vetoed a trade to LA cause he wouldnt extend there, would he waive to come to Buffalo to play with Dahlin? I dont know

Kevin Bahl -huge 25 year old defensman, they just extended him, so likely they arent moving him in a Byram deal, but he would fit the new hard to play against style.

They also have Jake Bean and Danili Miromanov but those are 6th defensmen at best.

 

For Forwards, ones that have no trade protection:

Joel Farabee - Struggled after getting traded to Calgary, former 50 point guy in Philly

Martin Pospisil - 25 year old power forward Czech, he has 300 hits last year! Would be a great buy low option that could have more potential, had 20 assists last year but only 4 goals

Connor Zary - 23 year old Center, smaller, similiar to Krebs, was injured last year, a pass first guy

Morgan Frost - 25ish I believe, another guy that struggled after the Philly trade

Adam Klapka - 24 year old Power Forward, was Calgarys best forward at times down the stretch last year, they just extended him, would they move him? I dont know

 

I think the unrealistic win trade would be Byram for Bahl, Id even do that straight up to be honest,

If Anderson will waive to come to Buffalo it would be possible to maybe get a Klapka or Pospisil added on as we are taking the older player with no term left on his deal. I could see them wanting to move Farabee as he didnt seem to fit there style of play

The home run deal is Byram for Bahl, and if you can make it Byram for Bahl and Pospisil that would be amazing but I doubt those happen

Byram's a weird one - i truly don't know what his value *is*, *should be*, or what we as fans have for him.  

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

I think the unrealistic win trade would be Byram for Bahl, Id even do that straight up to be honest,

The home run deal is Byram for Bahl, and if you can make it Byram for Bahl and Pospisil that would be amazing but I doubt those happen

I would take my Sabres sweater, cover it in feces, and ship it to Adams office if he made that trade. It is not a home run deal to trade Bo Byram for a worse defender who is signed long term to meh deal when you can just sign Byram. Byram is even younger than Bahl. I hate, that trade with the fire of 1,000 suns. 

[ponokasabre]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

I would take my Sabres sweater, cover it in feces, and ship it to Adams office if he made that trade. It is not a home run deal to trade Bo Byram for a worse defender who is signed long term to meh deal when you can just sign Byram. Byram is even younger than Bahl. I hate, that trade with the fire of 1,000 suns. 

Bahl is the opposite of Byram, and thats what we need. We have our offensive defensmen in Power and Dahlin, so this trade would make us better, if his value is low then Calgary can add in a Pospisil and a pick or something like that, id gladly take more lol.

 

Ill also say that Bahl played for Lindy in New Jersey

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

Bahl is the opposite of Byram, and thats what we need. We have our offensive defensmen in Power and Dahlin, so this trade would make us better, if his value is low then Calgary can add in a Pospisil and a pick or something like that, id gladly take more lol.

 

Ill also say that Bahl played for Lindy in New Jersey

Why cuz he hits things? He's not that good defensively which is the major problem for a "defensive defensemen" 

[Flashsabre]

No way Calgary offer sheets Byram. Giving up an unprotected 1st in the McKenna draft when they probably won’t make the playoffs would be asinine.

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

No way Calgary offer sheets Byram. Giving up an unprotected 1st in the McKenna draft when they probably won’t make the playoffs would be asinine.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with this.

But Calgary just had a 96-point season and would be adding a top 4 defenceman without losing anyone.

Could you not see them disagreeing?

[Justin C]

As I said in another thread I would do Andersson, if you can get him to waive, and a 2nd for Byram with the condition that the pick becomes a 3rd if Andersson re-signs. 

Adams should be GMing like he won’t be here next year. Andersson gives you an instant top of the league pairing with Dahlin and if they make the Playoffs maybe you get him extended. It’s worth the risk in my opinion.

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, Justin C said:

As I said in another thread I would do Andersson, if you can get him to waive, and a 2nd for Byram with the condition that the pick becomes a 3rd if Andersson re-signs. 

Adams should be GMing like he won’t be here next year. Andersson gives you an instant top of the league pairing with Dahlin and if they make the Playoffs maybe you get him extended. It’s worth the risk in my opinion.

Would you do it if Andersson won't resign here, making him a one season rental? And what would you offer? Byram one-for-one? Andersson + ?

1 hour ago, Drag0nDan said:

Byram's a weird one - i truly don't know what his value *is*, *should be*, or what we as fans have for him.  

Once he leaves it'll come to you.

[thewookie1]

21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Would you do it if Andersson won't resign here, making him a one season rental? And what would you offer? Byram one-for-one? Andersson + ?

A snowball's chance in hell has better odds than me choosing that.

 

[Warriorspikes51]

54 minutes ago, Justin C said:

As I said in another thread I would do Andersson, if you can get him to waive, and a 2nd for Byram with the condition that the pick becomes a 3rd if Andersson re-signs. 

Adams should be GMing like he won’t be here next year. Andersson gives you an instant top of the league pairing with Dahlin and if they make the Playoffs maybe you get him extended. It’s worth the risk in my opinion.

This.  

[jahnyc]

Sabres must be under incredible internal and external pressure to trade Byram.  I don't think they were planning to have him on the roster for next season, particularly when they decided to trade Peterka.  It has been out there for some time that the Sabres were shopping Byram and now the offer sheet threat further complicates the situation.  This is exactly how you end up with a poor return for a young player with real value.  We will see if Byram is traded and what we receive back, but this already is bordering on complete incompetence.

[oddoublee]

23 minutes ago, jahnyc said:

Sabres must be under incredible internal and external pressure to trade Byram.  I don't think they were planning to have him on the roster for next season, particularly when they decided to trade Peterka.  It has been out there for some time that the Sabres were shopping Byram and now the offer sheet threat further complicates the situation.  This is exactly how you end up with a poor return for a young player with real value.  We will see if Byram is traded and what we receive back, but this already is bordering on complete incompetence.

Correct. KA handcuffed himself not being savvy enough to make a move. KA fd up. Plain and simple. 

The order of things matter....

Edited 7 hours ago by oddoublee