Friedman- Sabres looking to move prospects for players

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Nobody is saying Adams should make bad moves. 

But there is an unfounded belief that Adams has walked away from good trades because he "overvalues" his players. It's something you can't prove unless you were on the phone.

Edited 5 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

Lol...you got me to actually it up. The answer....Yes! Ice is always wet.

The pressure of a skate blade on ice makes it wet. That's science🧪.

[JoeSchmoe]

I wonder if he could pull off another deal like the Savoie - McLeod deal with a team in cap trouble.

[K-9]

36 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

What is the difference between overvaluing your players in a trade and not accepting a deal that you think is inadequate? Does anyone recall how upset fans were that Adams didn't trade Jack Eichel right away? I'm sure other GMs saw that situation as an opportunity to pry away an elite player for practically nothing. 

Whether you think Tuch, Krebs and picks for Eichel was adequate value, that deal was not done in haste.

 

I never bought that KA over-values his prospects and won’t make deals as a result, but that’s been a theme with both media and fans alike for a while. Glad you cited Eichel for a couple reasons because imo, Eichel couldn’t be over-valued and also because the Eichel situation perfectly illustrates how teams and agents manipulate media to try and ramp up pressure on other organizations. Friedman, especially, was a big mouthpiece for the misinformation being peddled at the time. 

[bob_sauve28]

55 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

Lol...you got me to actually it up. The answer....Yes! Ice is always wet.

No way! I would guess steam is wet, but not ice. Not sure I understand wetness then, lol 

I did know this though: 

“water can simultaneously boil and freeze under specific conditions known as the triple point. This occurs at 0.01°C and 0.006 atmospheres, where all three phases of water (solid, liquid, and gas) can exist in equilibrium”

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But there is an unfounded belief that Adams has walked away from good trades because he "overvalues" his players. It's something you can't prove unless you were on the phone.

I think fans are just making the reasonable assumption that after missing the playoffs by one point followed by back to back years of moving further from the playoffs, that the GM has failed to make the needed moves. What moves might have made a difference is fan speculation (I’m guilty as charged). But I refuse to believe that the situation was beyond hopeless, and that no GM could have produced a better record the past two years than Adams has. Perhaps I’m wrong and this is just as good as we can reasonably expect from the Sabres. 

[sabremike]

10 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I think fans are just making the reasonable assumption that after missing the playoffs by one point followed by back to back years of moving further from the playoffs, that the GM has failed to make the needed moves. What moves might have made a difference is fan speculation (I’m guilty as charged). But I refuse to believe that the situation was beyond hopeless, and that no GM could have produced a better record the past two years than Adams has. Perhaps I’m wrong and this is just as good as we can reasonably expect from the Sabres. 

The only person less respected in the entire league than Kevyn Smithers is the moron who hired him. 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

I never bought that KA over-values his prospects and won’t make deals as a result, but that’s been a theme with both media and fans alike for a while. Glad you cited Eichel for a couple reasons because imo, Eichel couldn’t be over-valued and also because the Eichel situation perfectly illustrates how teams and agents manipulate media to try and ramp up pressure on other organizations. Friedman, especially, was a big mouthpiece for the misinformation being peddled at the time. 

Whether there was a chorus of misinformation or not from a variety of sources still didn't mean that the Sabres had to trade Eichel. He was under contract and was bound to this team. The player let it be known that he wanted out but still it was the organization who decided to trade him. 

[mjd1001]

20 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

No idea. I actually don't like Friedman... or any of these BS artists... but Friedman is the worst of a bad bunch. I just saw the tweet and thought I'd share.

I like listening to him, but it seems like his 'sources' get things right 10 or so times a year, but he puts out hundreds of 'possibilities'. What he says is entertaining and occasionally correct, but you could make a lot of money betting against him all the time (maybe more so than other sources out there).

[Big Guava]

Hopefully it's far more successful than Tim Murray's attempt that accomplished nothing and took a fantastic prospect pipeline and left the cupboards bare with nothing to show for it once he got fired.

Edited 3 hours ago by Big Guava

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But there is an unfounded belief that Adams has walked away from good trades because he "overvalues" his players. It's something you can't prove unless you were on the phone.

I've been suggesting this for years. He wants to "win" trades and that's his focus rather than solely on making the on ice roster better. 

He most definitely has more faith in his own picks and players he traded for than players who were here when he got here. This is not unusual for GMs but it's not a good strategy. A good GM recognizes a mistake and tries to fix it asap. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Whether there was a chorus of misinformation or not from a variety of sources still didn't mean that the Sabres had to trade Eichel. He was under contract and was bound to this team. The player let it be known that he wanted out but still it was the organization who decided to trade him. 

The situation became untenable, simple as that. 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I've been suggesting this for years. He wants to "win" trades and that's his focus rather than solely on making the on ice roster better. 

He most definitely has more faith in his own picks and players he traded for than players who were here when he got here. This is not unusual for GMs but it's not a good strategy. A good GM recognizes a mistake and tries to fix it asap. 

Who doesn't want to win trades? 

That said, didn't Kevyn overpay a bit for Beck Malenstyn? Many thought Savoie for McLeod was an overpay. (Results now vs results in the future.) Norris/JBD for Cozens/Gilbert was a more or less an even hockey trade.

[Night Train]

9 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said:

But what else is there to talk about? 

The new roof leaks

[JohnC]

21 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The situation became untenable, simple as that. 

One aspect of that multifaceted situation was that he was not allowed to have the procedure he wanted to have. In hindsight, he was right on this issue. And circumscribing the situation that goes beyond  any individual player is that pervasive dysfunction creates a climate where players want to get away from. This disarray in the organization’s been going on since the Pegula era began. And the consequences have been damaging.

[Carmel Corn]

Big moves and trades coming?!?!  I’ll believe it when I see it.  I might feel differently if the team showed any willingness to fire some assistant coaches, but since they’re all still there….why should anybody believe any significant player moves will happen?

[Slack_in_MA]

15 minutes ago, Night Train said:

The new roof leaks

And the new video board is prone to hacking with porn videos.

[jahnyc]

Do we have prospects desired by other teams?  Rosen and Östlund seem like similar type players in that they are not big or physical, but have some scoring abilities.  I doubt they would trade Helenius and I am not sure about Wahlberg garnering trade interest.

Sabres seem to like a certain type of player.  I could argue that Rosen, Östlund, Kulich, Quinn, and Peterka are all similarly sized, not physical and better offensively than defensively.  We need more diversity in terms of player types.

[sabremike]

48 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I've been suggesting this for years. He wants to "win" trades and that's his focus rather than solely on making the on ice roster better. 

He most definitely has more faith in his own picks and players he traded for than players who were here when he got here. This is not unusual for GMs but it's not a good strategy. A good GM recognizes a mistake and tries to fix it asap. 

LITERALLY the exact same as Garth Snow, and it was because both of them knew they were in no way qualified to hold a GM position and understood people would take advantage of this to try and rob them blind.

[Mr. Allen]

Darcy was a good trader.