Seravalli: Real hard to picture JJ Peterka in a Sabres uniform this fall

[kas23]

I don’t want Kevyn to even think about trading him until his babysitter arrives. Then he can be chaperoned. 

[Archie Lee]

55 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

He's not playing on a 1st line, or with anyone as good as Thompson on most any other team in the league. He's also not playing on a PP1. As such, he'd be an idiot to walk away from the Sabres before he's a UFA. He'd be an even bigger idiot if he sat out.

For that reason, I question this report and think it's just the usual BS behind the scenes posturing by the agent. 

Peterka finished 51st in scoring in the NHL. He was born in 2002. Of the 50 players who outscored Peterka, only Wyatt Johnson was born after 2002.  Sorry, but the idea that he is not paying on a 1st line or with anyone as good as Thompson or on PP 1 on most other teams, is just highly inaccurate. He is a burgeoning star. 

[inkman]

10 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Peterka finished 51st in scoring in the NHL. He was born in 2002. Of the 50 players who outscored Peterka, only Wyatt Johnson was born after 2002.  Sorry, but the idea that he is not paying on a 1st line or with anyone as good as Thompson or on PP 1 on most other teams, is just highly inaccurate. He is a burgeoning star. 

With zero commitment to defense. Fans wanted accountability, this is what it looks like. Cozens was held accountable and got his ass shipped out. I’m fine with JJ following the same path.  They need to reshape the roster and getting an actual responsible hockey player for Peterka could galvanize this roster. Get Quinn & Samuelsson off the roster too.  Mattias is just garbage and Quinn is just not good.  Great shooter, decent playmaker, plays like someone trying not to get touched. 

[thewookie1]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

I’m kinda with this, except I don’t trust the management to turn it into the plus it could be.

(And I still have @thewookie1 whispering in my ear “Noooo, not 40 goals for the Rangers!!!!”)

Well I would rather him not help a conference rival prevent us from getting a playoff position. Plus I want nothing to do with K Miller seeing as most Rangers fans want to try him at forward like we had wanted with Risto for many years. Plus eeing as Miller is an American versus Schneider being a Canadian we know which they’d choose if all else equal
 

In the end I just don’t want a new iteration of traded player thrives while our return fumbles and or bumbles around getting us no closer to the playoffs.

That and I’m sick of the media pushing the agenda of moving players out of Buffalo so they can be in bigger markets. They rarely say anything about how we somehow still have incompetence in and around the franchise yet have every possible scoop on a good Sabre being pursued by * insert large market here*

Edited Tuesday at 09:53 PM by thewookie1

[JoeSchmoe]

32 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Peterka finished 51st in scoring in the NHL. He was born in 2002. Of the 50 players who outscored Peterka, only Wyatt Johnson was born after 2002.  Sorry, but the idea that he is not paying on a 1st line or with anyone as good as Thompson or on PP 1 on most other teams, is just highly inaccurate. He is a burgeoning star. 

That's one way of looking at it.

A better way would be to look at all the good teams he might be clamouring to get on. How many are going to bump their established veterans off the 1st line for a young kid that doesn't play 200ft and sucked on the PP? Not many.

Sure, they'll all take him in a heartbeat, but they won't give him the same opportunity... Just ask McLeod and Zucker how much opportunity can boost you on the scoring sheet. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:57 PM by JoeSchmoe

[Archie Lee]

24 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

That's one way of looking at it.

A better way would be to look at all the good teams he might be clamouring to get on. How many are going to bump their established veterans off the 1st line for a young kid that doesn't play 200ft and sucked on the PP? Not many.

Sure, they'll all take him in a heartbeat, but they won't give him the same opportunity... Just ask McLeod and Zucker how much opportunity can boost you on the scoring sheet. 

Fair enough. My best guess is that the hockey world in general thinks more highly of Peterka and his potential than you do.

 

[John Tucker]

I immediately feel sorrow for the saps we get in return.  What a sad, sad organization this has become

[PerreaultForever]

Seravalli's been known to spew some bs without proof, especially lately, so I don't put much stock in his statements like "a number of players". It's embellishment I think. Might be true, might not, but Seravalli definitely embellishes to stay relevant. 

The line that stuck out for me was when he said he found it "bizarre" that Sabres were bringing back all the management and the coaching staff. That's my view as well, it's just "bizarre" and I think the whole league is likely looking at it and thinking "losers". I can't see any high profile players being attracted to that. There is literally zero sense that this team is doing anything to be better. Zero. 

So does Peterka want out? I bet he does, and he will be the next one. I think Peterka will have a long and successful NHL career. Perennial 20-30 goal scorer and Sabres have no idea what they are doing. 

[Carmel Corn]

6 minutes ago, John Tucker said:

I immediately feel sorrow for the saps we get in return.  What a sad, sad organization this has become

Sadly, I don’t think it will stop there.  I don’t see Tuch signing an extension and so we’ll have to settle for more saps in return for trading him.  Byrum may also be moved for pennies on the dollar as well.  No team in professional sports is more poorly managed than the Sabres.

[JoeSchmoe]

44 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Fair enough. My best guess is that the hockey world in general thinks more highly of Peterka and his potential than you do.

 

Everyone thinks he has potential... I for sure do and hope I'm right in saying this is a bunch of agent tricks.

What I'm saying is he's a 2nd liner and a PP2 guy on a good team which will drive down his UFA value.

Mittelstadt was PP1 here and was our top point producer a couple years ago (before he was traded). Once he got on better teams and was subsequently moved down the depth chart, his production plummeted. His UFA contract will take a hit as a result.

If I'm JJP and don't want to stay here, I'm riding things out here until UFA. If an offer sheet were to come along, then all the better 

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Seravalli's been known to spew some bs without proof, especially lately, so I don't put much stock in his statements like "a number of players". It's embellishment I think. Might be true, might not, but Seravalli definitely embellishes to stay relevant. 

The line that stuck out for me was when he said he found it "bizarre" that Sabres were bringing back all the management and the coaching staff. That's my view as well, it's just "bizarre" and I think the whole league is likely looking at it and thinking "losers". I can't see any high profile players being attracted to that. There is literally zero sense that this team is doing anything to be better. Zero. 

So does Peterka want out? I bet he does, and he will be the next one. I think Peterka will have a long and successful NHL career. Perennial 20-30 goal scorer and Sabres have no idea what they are doing. 

It's hard to think anything other than this is not a serious organization. These aren't real professionals whose main priority is winning games. They're just not. 

We've all said it, it's been a joke where deep down you knew it was true but hoped.

But after Adams publicly lister the reasons why it sucks to be here it, the Sabres needed to show the hockey world we won't be disrespected, at least from the inside of the org. They did nothing then continued to do nothing.

The org had a gun to their head to change direction and instead of changing the direction Terrance Pegula pulled the trigger.

Pegula is the worst thing to ever happen to Buffalo hockey.

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, Carmel Corn said:

Sadly, I don’t think it will stop there.  I don’t see Tuch signing an extension and so we’ll have to settle for more saps in return for trading him.  Byrum may also be moved for pennies on the dollar as well.  No team in professional sports is more poorly managed than the Sabres.

Ultimately that might be the Pegula plan. 

If you think about when Adams got the job he shipped out Risto Reinhart and Eichel and started over with a bunch of picks. So now he gets this year to win or he's out (presumably). That means his guys like Norris and Levi, Quinn, etc. have to deliver. If not, the new guy, who is probably already in the organization, is instructed to move out the disgruntled which will be Thompson and Dahlin and start all over again the same way. I know this is horrible to think about but you can also easily see it can't you? Everybody can, cause we've been here before and this hell never ends. 

[Mr. Allen]

4 hours ago, dudacek said:

Complaining about the lack of change off the ice has masked what I see as a real willful blindness around here to a number of things on the actual roster:

• The level of frustration showed by Tage at his year-ender
• The trade deadline whispers of high-level Dahlin meetings
• The number of winning hard minutes Byram played and the hole trading him is going to create, along with his switch in agents
• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent
• The struggles of multiple prize core young pieces at the same time: Luukkonen, Quinn, Cozens, Samuelsson and Power
• The body language of Josh Norris after being traded to Buffalo, coupled with the risk of his contract
• The panicked overpay they gave Jason Zucker for a likely 33 points and 63 games next year
• The panicked overpay they gave Jordan Greenway for for a likely 18 points and 58 games next year
• The determined attempts of Alex Tuch to avoid addressing questions about his future in Buffalo.

There are consequences to sticking with a failed coaching and management staff.

Status quo isn't going to provide stability, it's going to turn these cracks into holes.

We're looking at 20/21 all over again.

Bring on McKenna! 

[Pimlach]

Wow.   

JJ Peterka  -  A guy Adams made sure not to block under any circumstance, a guy they put in their top 6 right after one year in the AHL. 

Complaints about his defense?   Didn't he play for a coach that said he would "teach defense" in year two? 

He gets a new coach in year three who doesn't like to have to shelter him and wants more of a two way game from everybody. So Peterka wants out and they are blaming it on the city?  Is that correct?   He is looking for more action or something?  

He probably doesn't want to waste his career in Buffalo, this is his first chance to get out, and he is taking it.   Just say the magic words JJ .

Peterka is a very good player and is capable if playing a two way game.  He is 6' and 190 lbs, he looks like he is built with a strong lower body which is an advantage in this sport.  He can get better at the two-way game.  

I see another trade that we should not be making.  This team keeps getting into situations were we have to move our best players.   Anyone wonder why?  

[Thorny]

5 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

And now we witness the compounding errors of years of futility (and not making an effort to win) cause the new core to begin to collapse in on itself. The players with team control are the ones who have to exercise their "don't want to be here" message to salvage their careers and sanity. Ownership set the stage for it, embraced it, and now feeds it in a sublime cycle.

Battled an entire thread 4 years ago about the inevitability of this. How Jack wasn’t a “bad apple”. But a canary in the coal mine 

rooster come home 

On 9/2/2021 at 8:47 AM, Thorny said:

How much has Adams spoken about the “blinding light” of the youth and their enthusiasm? If we are going to take him at his word here, that type of mentality is a huge deal to KA. There doesn’t have to be some huge “elephant in the room” character issue where Jack is concerned when him being actively disenfranchised from years of losing may just have him in a mindset where he’s not radiating the energy, positivity, and perceived commitment KA is after. In other words: he needs a change of scenery. Another in the LONG list of athletes across a multitude of sports who have needed the same thing. 

That Jack is a star player doesn’t give me pause regarding a GM taking that road: yes his skill is going to be very difficult to replace, but the amount of gravitating influence the player has will correspond to his talent and importance within the organization. 

 

On 9/2/2021 at 9:14 AM, Thorny said:

 They really, really could just want to move Jack cause they feel he's too affected by the losing. 

They literally moved ROR for that reason. 

 

[Thorny]

This needs to be posted, I’m sorry 

On 7/5/2022 at 3:25 PM, Thorny said:

but my argument would be with the set parameters. 

Buying time until Levi arrives is a strategy fraught with potential perils.

“Buying time” presents a multitude of issues, up to and including potential disenfranchisement of players, fans. 

“Until” presents issues, as well. Willingly “waiting” a matter of *years* on someone who is not close to a guaranteed difference maker at the NHL level is... dicey, to say the least. Not to mention, what you are afraid of w/ handing out term right now (under the prism of a trusted talent evaluation) is Levi having competition. I’m not sure when “not blocking” (ie counting chickens) took precedence over healthy competition, but it’s beginning to trend towards the “weird”. Ie, perhaps there’s another motive. 

I think it’s fair to say the bolded happened 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Ultimately that might be the Pegula plan. 

If you think about when Adams got the job he shipped out Risto Reinhart and Eichel and started over with a bunch of picks. So now he gets this year to win or he's out (presumably). That means his guys like Norris and Levi, Quinn, etc. have to deliver. If not, the new guy, who is probably already in the organization, is instructed to move out the disgruntled which will be Thompson and Dahlin and start all over again the same way. I know this is horrible to think about but you can also easily see it can't you? Everybody can, cause we've been here before and this hell never ends. 

This iteration of failure sucks because it really felt like we could have been close. Sure we had better players before, but Dahlin, Tuch, Thompson,  Benson, and to an extent Peterka really felt like a unit.

These guys had some talent, comraderie, and werent totally miserable to be here. We haven't had that in a decade. And at this point I'm not sure if Pegula is ever capable of putting it together.

The best thing Pegula could do is reach out to Danny Wegman or the like and ask for his best and final to keep the team here. If Terry gives one flying fork about hockey in this town he'll find somebody to buy the team and keep it here, even if it's around 85% of market price.

[Thorny]

4 hours ago, Mango said:

wE wAnT gUyS wHo WaNt To Be HeRe

Wasn't this the whole point of tearing it down and trading away reql life NHL talent?

Instead of earning the trust back of guys in the locker room, we started over with guys so PegAdams could start with a clean slate. 

Let's not forget we couldn't bring in veteran help because we would be blocking guys like...checks notes...JJ Peterka.

Honestly, if I'm JJP and all I hear is I am one of THE GUYS on the market I tell my agent to get it done and get me to Edmonton, Dallas, Colorado, Florida, or Vegas.

But there's no way I sign in Buffalo unless they're offering me nearly 2x. 5 x $6M at any of those orgs is way better than 8x$8M in Buffalo. Bet on yourself.

 

Yup. The issue of repairing their relationship with their star players was either well beyond their competence level or they were just too lazy and wanted the easy way out: the long form build was merely a tact to prolong that difficultly, they had no intention of actually doing it 

Edited yesterday at 12:43 AM by Thorny

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Yup. The issue of repairing their relationship with their star players was either well beyond their competence level or they were just too lazy and wanted the easy way out: the long form build was merely a tact to prolong that difficultly, they had no intention of actually doing it 

My relationship with Pegula became vile when Adams had that wildly smug disaster presser and Terry didn't come out and Stone Cold stunner him live at the podium, announcing that nobody talks about his hockey team that way.

"Nobody wants to come here,we don't have palm trees and we have taxes" should have been cause for a public forking beheading.

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

My relationship with Pegula became vile when Adams had that wildly smug disaster presser and Terry didn't come out and Stone Cold stunner him live at the podium, announcing that nobody talks about his hockey team that way.

"Nobody wants to come here,we don't have palm trees and we have taxes" should have been cause for a public forking beheading.

It's odd. 

Adams' entire qualification for the GM job was that he was willing to axe the AHL staff and scouts to save money when JBott refused to. And yet, Adams can't perform poorly enough or embarrass the franchise enough at his job to get fired. It's all about priorities at the top.

[7+6=13]

We hate this team and every player.  

I can't believe we're trading another player we love.  

[PromoTheRobot]

9 hours ago, dudacek said:

Complaining about the lack of change off the ice has masked what I see as a real willful blindness around here to a number of things on the actual roster:

• The level of frustration showed by Tage at his year-ender
• The trade deadline whispers of high-level Dahlin meetings
• The number of winning hard minutes Byram played and the hole trading him is going to create, along with his switch in agents
• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent
• The struggles of multiple prize core young pieces at the same time: Luukkonen, Quinn, Cozens, Samuelsson and Power
• The body language of Josh Norris after being traded to Buffalo, coupled with the risk of his contract
• The panicked overpay they gave Jason Zucker for a likely 33 points and 63 games next year
• The panicked overpay they gave Jordan Greenway for for a likely 18 points and 58 games next year
• The determined attempts of Alex Tuch to avoid addressing questions about his future in Buffalo.

There are consequences to sticking with a failed coaching and management staff.

Status quo isn't going to provide stability, it's going to turn these cracks into holes.

We're looking at 20/21 all over again.

Body language? Panic? Okay. If players are sick of losing, it's in their power to start winning, you know?

[klos1963]

8 hours ago, Gatorman0519 said:

This franchise killed itself. If half the guys want to leave and we can’t keep our own home grown talent, may as well fold the franchise. 

Pegula needs to sell it. That would be the best PR for the team with potential free agent signings. 

[Archie Lee]

The Sabres can win without Peterka. To state the obvious, there are 16 teams in the playoffs who did not have Peterka in their line-up. I actually could easily see the Sabres being a better team this year if they replaced Peterka and Byram with a couple of lesser talented veterans, like Bryan Rust and Cody Ceci (along with a couple of other changes, like slight upgrades on Lafferty, Clifton, Bryson, and Reimer). I think we would also need to upgrade at Head Coach to someone who truly does bring structure and accountability and does more than talk the big talk, but that’s another topic. 

The real story here though, assuming it’s true (and maybe it isn’t), is that Peterka wants out. The entire plot of the Adams GM tenure, starting with the Krueger firing, was a rebuild of talent and culture around those who want to be here. And 4 years later, with nothing to show for it, we saw video of first Adams decrying how unfair it is to expect any success given all that is stacked up against him, and then video a few months later of Ruff lamenting the bad culture. And now a young star wants out BEFORE his 2nd contract. Why is Adams still the GM?

[JP51]

17 hours ago, dudacek said:

Complaining about the lack of change off the ice has masked what I see as a real willful blindness around here to a number of things on the actual roster:

• The level of frustration showed by Tage at his year-ender
• The trade deadline whispers of high-level Dahlin meetings
• The number of winning hard minutes Byram played and the hole trading him is going to create, along with his switch in agents
• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent
• The struggles of multiple prize core young pieces at the same time: Luukkonen, Quinn, Cozens, Samuelsson and Power
• The body language of Josh Norris after being traded to Buffalo, coupled with the risk of his contract
• The panicked overpay they gave Jason Zucker for a likely 33 points and 63 games next year
• The panicked overpay they gave Jordan Greenway for for a likely 18 points and 58 games next year
• The determined attempts of Alex Tuch to avoid addressing questions about his future in Buffalo.

There are consequences to sticking with a failed coaching and management staff.

Status quo isn't going to provide stability, it's going to turn these cracks into holes.

We're looking at 20/21 all over again.

I could not agree more... Peterka will become the latest in a long list of players that go elsewhere and become a star because we are incompetent ... Who wants to play for this dysfunction and angst... like seriously its my home town team... I wouldnt ...  Kevyn Adams is the bain that just keeps on giving... and Pegula keeps watering him....