Sabres looking for Senior Advisor for Adams and Hockey Department

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Archie Lee said:

What’s weird to me, is that you would think the Bills’ success would make it easy for Pegula to attract a good hockey man. Why can’t he approach someone like Rob Blake and just explain that he just hasn’t found a Beane or McDermott on the hockey side and that he thinks Blake could be that guy and the plan is to just stay out of the way. Give Blake a 4-5 year $20-$25 million contract and tell him to go out and find our young Montgomery or DeBoer or Cassidy. It should not be complicated. 

He could but Pegula doesn't want that. He wants to be heard and to have a yes man do his bidding. 

Skinner contract had to be 8yrs cuz Pegula. 

Samuelsson had to be signed ASAP cuz Pegula. 

Terry has his favorites. 

[dudacek]

Why are people reacting to this like we’re thinking of hiring Lou as GM?

Why do people think that Rick Dudley, a 76-year-old with 7 years experience as a GM, just one of those in the past 20 years would be a terrific senior advisor, and Lou Lamiorello, an 82-year-old with 37 years as a GM, including all of the past 20 years would be terrible in the same role?

[Ctaeth]

 

 

[Indabuff]

[Pimlach]

31 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I bet Lou is the guy. It makes too much sense and he's unlikely to get a GM offer. 

If Lou was so good adapting to the cap wouldn't his record reflect that?

Geesh, I have to defend a HOF GM?  

I guess he could not win a Cup in Toronto or with the NYI so that cancels his prior success in New Jersey?   

Toronto - he was 118-95-33 in the regular season and a 5-8 playoff record. The Maple Leafs achieved 100-point seasons and qualified for the playoffs in each of his final two seasons.  Better record by far than anything Buffalo has seen since 2007-08.  

NYI - he was 268-195-71 over seven seasons. He guided the Islanders to the playoffs five times, including a 103-point campaign in the 2018-19 season.   Better record by far than anything Buffalo has seen since 2007-08.  

Why didn't he win more Cups?   Maybe he lacked the right players or coaches, or maybe other teams just were better and couldn't catch them, or he doesn't understand the cap and won't hire someone who does, or the scouts that helped him in NJ are all old and retired, or maybe the game passed him by as many like to say?  I do not claim to be a big fan or a student of this man. 

Here is the bar - In the entire history of the NHL only a two GMs have ever won Cups with more than one team.  Tommy Gorman (back in the ancient 6 team league GM) and Jim Rutherford (Canes and Pens).  Lou did not do it.   Does that nullify his accomplishments?  Does that mean he can't help a neophyte like Kevyn Adams?  

The Sabres should interview him, see what he brings and if he fits, understand what they are getting, and then decide if he can help them.   They should be doing this with at least a few other candidates as well.   

I just want new action to try to make this team better.  The improvements with this organization must be top down because the decision made at the top are failing massively.  

Give Lou and interview and then decide.  That is all I want.  

 

[Pimlach]

32 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I like the idea of Lou as a senior advisor only slightly more than I like the idea of Kevyn Adams staying on as GM, which means I really hate it. But, this is who you get as senior advisors:  Either a recent GM who wants to get back in, or a really old guy who is driven by nothing but hockey and who just wants to stay involved in some capacity. I guess my big concern with Lou is that he advises Adams to be more bold. I mean, maybe the one positive thing about Adams and his general state of reluctance to make big moves, is that it has actually prevented more bad than good. If Lou’s impact is for Adams to be more bold, is that a good thing? Maybe. But maybe the best we can hope for is to survive this season with minimal damage and then move on to a new regime. 

In 6 years Adams lack of boldness has got us what?   Nothing but misery.  

I am tired of his excuses, his minimal moves in the off season, and no success.  

Go out get the next Mogilny.  Trade Turgeon for LaFontaine.   Bring in Drury and Briere.  The Sabres had not done nearly enough bold hockey moves in 55 years.  Vegas has done more in 8 years.  Who has a Cup?  

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

In 6 years Adams lack of boldness has got us what?   Nothing but misery.  

I am tired of his excuses, his minimal moves in the off season, and no success.  

Go out get the next Mogilny.  Trade Turgeon for LaFontaine.   Bring in Drury and Briere.  The Sabres had not done nearly enough bold hockey moves in 55 years.  Vegas has done more in 8 years.  Who has a Cup?  

Trade Owen Power. 

Power and 9 for Barzal and Dobson. 

Idk if that's value but being bold

[Pimlach]

57 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Why are people reacting to this like we’re thinking of hiring Lou as GM?

Why do people think that Rick Dudley, a 76-year-old with 7 years experience as a GM, just one of those in the past 20 years would be a terrific senior advisor, and Lou Lamiorello, an 82-year-old with 37 years as a GM, including all of the past 20 years would be terrible in the same role?

Thank you.  He is 82, he is not going to be the GM.  Advisor means what?   We don't even know yet.  

I would accept Dudley taking an Advisor role for the Sabres, many others said they would too.  Bill Zito in Florida uses him.  So given that Lou is more accomplished and has more recent GM experience on top of that, why is Lou as an Advisor a problem?  

Maybe Lou is an asshat that will be disruptive?  Ok, then you let him go and try again like every other team does.  

Edited 4 hours ago by Pimlach

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Trade Owen Power. 

Power and 9 for Barzal and Dobson. 

Idk if that's value but being bold

Then create a 2nd pair of Byram and Dobson. Or Dobson and Samuelsson and leave Byram with Dahlin 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

At that point you're hanging out on Death's doorstep anyways, might as well knock every once and awhile for funsies.

I think you just described taking a job with the Sabres.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Trade Owen Power. 

Power and 9 for Barzal and Dobson. 

Idk if that's value but being bold

Power and #9 for Barzal and Dobson improves this team immediately.  Barzal adds more depth to the center spline, and more playmaking, and it allows Tage to move to wing.  It gives more options on how to use Norris and Kulich and McLeod.   Ruff likes a lot of centers and centers that can play wing.   All coaches like that.  

Dobson is comparable to Power.  Does Power have a higher ceiling?  Who cares right now, we have Dahlin locked up and he is better than both of them.   

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Pimlach

[bunomatic]

Sabres gonna Sabre. Everyones so busy tripping over Terrys feet nothing gets done. This guy can’t stay out of the way. All this reaching out is essentially a reach around. Nothing has changed in the way he does things. Asking team execs to come in with 30 plus years in the business to work under KA ( who is a failed GM ) is moronic. The problem is still Terry Pegula.

[Flashsabre]

Sabres fans:

”I need medicine immediately or I will die”

Here is the medicine 

“Oh God not that flavour or that flavour either”

Then what flavour does the medicine need to be that will save your life?

”I have no idea”. 😁

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Trade Owen Power. 

Power and 9 for Barzal and Dobson. 

Idk if that's value but being bold

I'm a huge anti-trade Power person but I would make this deal if we can get Dobson locked up reasonably. Like not 10 mil or something 

[Flashsabre]

Everyone can relax

Edited 3 hours ago by Flashsabre

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Trade Owen Power. 

Power and 9 for Barzal and Dobson. 

Idk if that's value but being bold

I know we are looking for solutions and not problems, but Barzal has a 22 team no trade list. He most likely did not negotiate this only to have the Sabres as one of the 9 teams he would be willing to go to. 
 

[Thorny]

2 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

I'd like to see Lou get involved as a voice, but his recent teams aren't all that impressive

But from a certain point of view (notably, that of a team that’s averaged 78 points for 5 years), they are 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Thank you.  He is 82, he is not going to be the GM.  Advisor means what?   We don't even know yet.  

I would accept Dudley taking an Advisor role for the Sabres, many others said they would too.  Bill Zito in Florida uses him.  So given that Lou is more accomplished and has more recent GM experience on top of that, why is Lou as an Advisor a problem?  

Maybe Lou is an asshat that will be disruptive?  Ok, then you let him go and try again like every other team does.  

Make him the GM 

Guys it’s Kevyn Adams 

Don’t make me post the clip 

I’m posting it 

19 hours ago, Thorny said:

 

 

[Weave]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

But from a certain point of view (notably, that of a team that’s averaged 78 points for 5 years), they are 

Never let perfect be the enemy of better.

Let’s strive to take a step, even if it is a short step.  Enough steps and we are actually walking.

[Thorny]

Just now, Weave said:

Never let perfect be the enemy of better.

Let’s strive to take a step, even if it is a short step.  Enough steps and we are actually walking.

it’s the exact reason we are where we are 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

Take the right lessons from things, too.

For example, do you most commonly hear said, outside of sabres circles, that the sabres were justified in their medical stance on Eichel, just the medical side of things, or do you most often hear that the sabres screwed him over on the surgery front? Compare that with how you feel the sabres acted re: just their approach to the medical.

it doesn’t really matter what happened, does it. Far more relevant where the sabres are concerned is the league wide perception: if you do not believe the sabres have suffered narratively league wide through the Eichel fiasco, up to and including potential agent and player opinions, you might be without internet and reading this on an abacus 

Lou is a respected man league wide. Very. The type of guy you want to be seen with. 

Infer what you want with that in combination with the lions share of my post above. But if you don’t want Lou, don’t complain, ever, about NMCs and players not wanting to come and “WCKAEHD??”

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, Weave said:

Never let perfect be the enemy of better.

Let’s strive to take a step, even if it is a short step.  Enough steps and we are actually walking.

Continuous improvement is what Terry should be looking for.  He is too patient with losing and with excuses from his hockey FO.  Of course, he may be the biggest reason why they are failing and he just might understand that he is.  

 

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Take the right lessons from things, too.

For example, do you most commonly hear said, outside of sabres circles, that the sabres were justified in their medical stance on Eichel, just the medical side of things, or do you most often hear that the sabres screwed him over on the surgery front? Compare that with how you feel the sabres acted re: just their approach to the medical.

it doesn’t really matter what happened, does it. Far more relevant where the sabres are concerned is the league wide perception: if you do not believe the sabres have suffered narratively league wide through the Eichel fiasco, up to and including potential agent and player opinions, you might be without internet and reading this on an abacus 

Lou is a respected man league wide. Very.

Infer what you want with that in combination with the lions share of my post above 

I travel quite a bit and I attend Sabres road games when I can.   No doubt that everything I have ever heard from the outside is that the Sabres mishandled and mistreated Eichel.  They might not know all the dirty little secrets that people in Buffalo know, but Perception is Reality.   And the reality concerning Eichel is that the Sabres were wrong, and are incompetent to let a player of that caliber, who was under contract, get away.  

The message they sent to NHL players was that we don't care what you think about your well being, we know better. 

On top of that Robin Lehner also did a lot of damage with his comments.  

[SwampD]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Take the right lessons from things, too.

For example, do you most commonly hear said, outside of sabres circles, that the sabres were justified in their medical stance on Eichel, just the medical side of things, or do you most often hear that the sabres screwed him over on the surgery front? Compare that with how you feel the sabres acted re: just their approach to the medical.

it doesn’t really matter what happened, does it. Far more relevant where the sabres are concerned is the league wide perception: if you do not believe the sabres have suffered narratively league wide through the Eichel fiasco, up to and including potential agent and player opinions, you might be without internet and reading this on an abacus 

Lou is a respected man league wide. Very. The type of guy you want to be seen with. 

Infer what you want with that in combination with the lions share of my post above. But if you don’t want Lou, don’t complain, ever, about NMCs and players not wanting to come and “WCKAEHD??”

Should I know what this means?

[DarthEbriate]

23 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Should I know what this means?

I think it could be What Could KA Even Have Done? ...but that's not funny enough.

Who Called KA an Earnest Howdy Doody? Winds Created by KA's Extra-strength Hair Dryer? Wins Cannot! KA EEE Hath Decreed!