Byram has packed up his house and will be moved: After the Whistle

[Darryl Shannon's +/-]

13 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Really? Why?

I'd like to get rid of Byram and I'm high on Östlund.  Could totally be wrong, but Östlund feels like a 2 way player we haven't had in a long time.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Weave said:

Why is it an easy decision?  What do you think Power has that makes him so obviously more important to keep?

In my opinion, definitely more upside. He's not a banger and never will be. And neither will Byram, who I do like a lot. But if I had to make a choice, I would prefer Power over Byram. It appears that the organization also sees it that way. As many others have stated, it is a priority to get a suitable partner for Power in order to put him in a better position to succeed. 

[dudacek]

19 minutes ago, Darryl Shannon's +/- said:

I'd like to get rid of Byram and I'm high on Östlund.  Could totally be wrong, but Östlund feels like a 2 way player we haven't had in a long time.

Thanks. I guess I should never be surprised when the unopened package is preferred to the imperfect one.

i don't understand the amount of Sabre fans who seem to consider Byram to be another Colin Miller.

I guess i should be hoping that they're right, but that some NHL GM agrees with me and pays a fortune for him.

[LGR4GM]

26 minutes ago, Darryl Shannon's +/- said:

I'd like to get rid of Byram and I'm high on Östlund.  Could totally be wrong, but Östlund feels like a 2 way player we haven't had in a long time.

Zach Benson. 

I'm fine with keeping Östlund btw, I like him. 

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Thanks. I guess I should never be surprised when the unopened package is preferred to the imperfect one.

i don't understand the amount of Sabre fans who seem to consider Byram to be another Colin Miller.

I guess i should be hoping that they're right, but that some NHL GM agrees with me and pays a fortune for him.

The issues associated with Byram and how he fits with the Sabres relates to potential contract size and also style of play fit with the blueline as it is presently constituted. Can the organization keep him from a cap distribution standpoint if he ends up with a high-end contract which I believe he will soon garner? The contract that Samuelsson got created a cap distribution imbalance that would make it difficult to keep Byram. If Samuelsson got dealt, which I believe is unlikely due to his sizeable contract, then signing him to an extension would be more plausible. 

[Pimlach]

3 hours ago, JohnC said:

Power has had his struggles as a young defenseman. That shouldn’t be surprising. And without a doubt, injuries have been a factor in his play. However, if the choice came down to keeping either Bryan or Power, that would be an easy decision for the organization. Without much consideration, Power would and should be kept and Byram dealt.  

 

 

Byram had a better year.   Right now I prefer his game over Power.  Both are very young.   Compared to Power, Byram can play just as many minutes, probably more.  He did not get nearly as much PP time and still finished just 2 points behind Power.   Byram was +11, Power -13.  Coincidence?    Byram was much more physical and more involved.  
 

What is Power doing to make you so positive?   

[Pimlach]

27 minutes ago, JohnC said:

In my opinion, definitely more upside. He's not a banger and never will be. And neither will Byram, who I do like a lot. But if I had to make a choice, I would prefer Power over Byram. It appears that the organization also sees it that way. As many others have stated, it is a priority to get a suitable partner for Power in order to put him in a better position to succeed. 

The organization?   The same organization the gave Power a huge contract after 80 games.  That would be the GM that traded for Byram, then a year later admits  he didn’t have a plan on how to use him.  

[Darryl Shannon's +/-]

19 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Thanks. I guess I should never be surprised when the unopened package is preferred to the imperfect one.

i don't understand the amount of Sabre fans who seem to consider Byram to be another Colin Miller.

I guess i should be hoping that they're right, but that some NHL GM agrees with me and pays a fortune for him.

Maybe the better way to put it...I don't think you have room to pay 3 dmen elite $$$.  So if its dahlin and power who stay, you need to move Byram.  And the underlying numbers spin the narrative that byram isn't a plus player without dahlin.  

[JoeSchmoe]

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

 

Byram had a better year.   Right now I prefer his game over Power.  Both are very young.   Compared to Power, Byram can play just as many minutes, probably more.  He did not get nearly as much PP time and still finished just 2 points behind Power.   Byram was +11, Power -13.  Coincidence?    Byram was much more physical and more involved.  
 

What is Power doing to make you so positive?   

Byram played with Dahlin. End of story.

Even a 6'4 225lb 2nd round marshmallow can look like a $30,000,000 player next to Dahlin. 😞

[JohnC]

Just now, Pimlach said:

 

Byram had a better year.   Right now I prefer his game over Power.  Both are very young.   Compared to Power, Byram can play just as many minutes, probably more.  He did not get nearly as much PP time and still finished just 2 points behind Power.   Byram was +11, Power -13.  Coincidence?    Byram was much more physical and more involved.  
 

What is Power doing to make you so positive?   

I'm a staunch Power supporter. I strongly believe that when he physically matures he will be the better player. He's a tall and lanky player with a lot more ability to fill-out. Just like it took Tage a few years to become more physically developed, I see the same process applying to Power. I'm tired of seeing this fool franchise get rid of young players who become upper echelon players in this league, such as Eichel and Reinhart. (I'm aware that the situations were more complicated, but if Power is dealt our loss will be another team's big gain. Be patient and get the right partner for Power. I'm adamant about my position on this player.  

 

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The organization?   The same organization the gave Power a huge contract after 80 games.  That would be the GM that traded for Byram, then a year later admits  he didn’t have a plan on how to use him.  

If you expect me to defend KA as a GM, then you haven't read my many comments on him. KA is often wrong on assessing players and brutal in constructing a coherent roster. That doesn't mean that everything he does is wrong. I'm resolute in my judgment of this particular tall and lanky defenseman. I'm very comfortable and confident that he will soon be a primary core player for us. Be more patient and you will be rewarded. 

[PerreaultForever]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If you expect me to defend KA as a GM, then you haven't read my many comments on him. KA is often wrong on assessing players and brutal in constructing a coherent roster. That doesn't mean that everything he does is wrong. I'm resolute in my judgment of this particular tall and lanky defenseman. I'm very comfortable and confident that he will soon be a primary core player for us. Be more patient and you will be rewarded. 

Patience? Are you f'n serious? It's 15 years. 

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If you expect me to defend KA as a GM, then you haven't read my many comments on him. KA is often wrong on assessing players and brutal in constructing a coherent roster. That doesn't mean that everything he does is wrong. I'm resolute in my judgment of this particular tall and lanky defenseman. I'm very comfortable and confident that he will soon be a primary core player for us. Be more patient and you will be rewarded. 

I hope you’re right.  I could use a reward.  

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Patience? Are you f'n serious? It's 15 years. 

It's been 15 yrs of foolish decisions. You may want to encourage more bad decisions but I don't. We're discussing a particular player, not the history of the sordid Pegula tenure.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I really think Adams will try to reverse the Eichel trade by buying low on the depreciated 1st-line centre asset that is Elias Pettersson. It just fits.

I just hope it's going to be for an Eichel-like price (Norris, Östlund, '26 1st?), not something stupid like Byram, Norris and #9

Dude, don’t make that trade.  Say no to EP.   Norris, if healthy, will be a good player.  Östlund looks good so far.  
 

[Carmel Corn]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

What is the position of weakness? Why does Adams have to take a ***** offer? Why will the offers be *****?

Are 23-year-old 40-point defencemen a dime a dozen in the NHL?

He had career numbers offensively and defensively and shook off the injury concerns.

Personally, if Byram's value was a 25-year-old RFA 60-point centre a year ago, I can't imagine it is any less than that now.

IMHO - I don’t see Byram signing a bridge deal unless both sides agree to arbitration.  If Byram doesn’t want to be here, then I am inclined to believe Pegula and Adams will try to move him vs. overpaying to keep him.  If other teams believe Byram doesn’t want to be here, then they can and should lowball Adams.

[7+6=13]

2 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

To this point, everyone in the league understands that Buffalo is once again dealing from a position of weakness....so GMKA won't get much in return if he does try to move Byrum via trade.  The amount of low ball offers will be numerous and Howdy Doody will have to take the best of the crap any team will offer.

This doesn't make any sense.  It's just another emotional rant.

[Scottysabres]

I have a basement he can move in to. A modest 5k a month for him. I’ll even throw in a backyard hockey pond, as long as he foots the quarterly water bill.

oh, and I’ll expect him to use the laundry mat down the road a mile or so. 

[SabreFinn]

2 hours ago, inkman said:

 

Byram to Penguins in exchange for Bryan Rust. Quinn to Rangers för Braden Schneider.

There. I fixed it.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

It's been 15 yrs of foolish decisions. You may want to encourage more bad decisions but I don't. We're discussing a particular player, not the history of the sordid Pegula tenure.

I know you are (and I said ages ago one of Power or Byram should be traded as we have enough offensive D men with 2 we don't need 3) so if you think Power has the greater ceiling you keep him. Adams paid him so that doubles down on it for him to stand by his decision. The issue is why trade for Byram at all? It's clearly a plan to avoid paying people. 

I'm throwing the 15 years out there because I can no longer treat this team as a normal team. I can't discuss in good faith how next year it'll be better or this time we draft the right guy or Adams will finally make good deals and all the normal stuff with sports. It's clear the franchise isn't normal They are seriously broken and there is no fix in sight. There is no faith and there is no room for belief. Believing in this team running it back and it somehow working would be an indicator that you should seek therapy and/or medication because you are clearly insane if you do that. I will not be fooled again. 

I mean look at this pathetic franchise. Posted up top from sabres.com, season in review Josh Norris. What f'n season? Just ridiculous. 

[gilbert11]

5 hours ago, JohnC said:

I'm a staunch Power supporter. I strongly believe that when he physically matures he will be the better player. He's a tall and lanky player with a lot more ability to fill-out. Just like it took Tage a few years to become more physically developed, I see the same process applying to Power. I'm tired of seeing this fool franchise get rid of young players who become upper echelon players in this league, such as Eichel and Reinhart. (I'm aware that the situations were more complicated, but if Power is dealt our loss will be another team's big gain. Be patient and get the right partner for Power. I'm adamant about my position on this player.  

 

Lanky?  He’s listed at 226#, which is similar to Tage.

[Weave]

8 hours ago, JohnC said:

In my opinion, definitely more upside. He's not a banger and never will be. And neither will Byram, who I do like a lot. But if I had to make a choice, I would prefer Power over Byram. It appears that the organization also sees it that way. As many others have stated, it is a priority to get a suitable partner for Power in order to put him in a better position to succeed. 

Byram played a better game last season, and displayed much more dynamic play.  Right now, betting on potential upside is hope.  Hope isn’t a plan.

[LGR4GM]

33 minutes ago, Weave said:

Byram played a better game last season, and displayed much more dynamic play.  Right now, betting on potential upside is hope.  Hope isn’t a plan.

With Dahlin yes. Without him, yeesh. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Wasn’t this Byram situation entirely predictable?

He was a redundant asset when acquired.  Adams had already given huge contracts to Dahlin (deserved) and Power (undeserved).  Regardless of performance, the Sabres weren’t going to be able to afford a 3rd huge contract on D. We were never going to invest 1/3 of the cap on 3 D, all LH offensive D, 2 of which can’t actually play defense.  

Adams even admitted the other day that they didn’t know what to do with Byram when they acquired him.  Shocking!  

So now here we are 1 and 1/4 seasons since acquired and guess what, we are planning to trade Byram.  He must be so happy to going elsewhere.  

I guess the good news is that this will open a roster spot for a defenseman who can actually play defense.  Now whether Adams can execute and acquire such a player remains to be seen. 

 

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, gilbert11 said:

Lanky?  He’s listed at 226#, which is similar to Tage.

He’s going to get stronger as he gets older. Just as Tage filled out and got stronger, so will he.