To everyone clamoring for the Sabres to trade the pick

[JP51]

To everyone clamoring to trade the pick... Kevyn Adams will be doing the trading... do you still want that...?  Just a question...  not a statement... 

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

McKenna should be great next year, but I don't need a decade and a half of a rebuild. Power and #9 for Misa, it's a toss up but Misa could be our Marner. Eichel was a wise choice but he was so immature, Misa seems to have humility.

Edited 3 hours ago by Standing Room Smoking Cigs
new wording

[dudacek]

25 minutes ago, JP51 said:

To everyone clamoring to trade the pick... Kevyn Adams will be doing the trading... do you still want that...?  Just a question...  not a statement... 

How many of these Adams trades would you reverse?

• Norris and Bernard Docker for Cozens, Gilbert and a 2nd
• McLeod for Savoie
• Pick 14 and Malenstyn for pick 11
• Byram for Mittelstadt
• Greenway for pick 56
• Tuch, Krebs, 1st, and 2nd for Eichel and a 3rd
• Levi and 1st for Reinhart
• 1st, 2nd and Hagg for Ristolainen
• 2nd and Bjork for Hall and Lazar
• Staal for Johansson

Just a question, not a statement.

 

 

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

How many of these Adams trades would you reverse?

• Norris and Bernard Docker for Cozens, Gilbert and a 2nd
• McLeod for Savoie
• Pick 14 and Malenstyn for pick 11
• Byram for Mittelstadt
• Greenway for pick 56
• Tuch, Krebs, 1st, and 2nd for Eichel and a 3rd
• Levi and 1st for Reinhart
• 1st, 2nd and Hagg for Ristolainen
• 2nd and Bjork for Hall and Lazar
• Staal for Johansson

Just a question, not a statement.

 

 

7

[dudacek]

16 minutes ago, Thorny said:

7

Not sure if this is serious or random..?

I’m thinking I keep the Byram and the McLeod deals

And I chuck the Malenstyn and Reinhart deals.

I’d rather have a healthy, happy Eichel but given the circumstances I probably keep that deal?

TBD on the Cozens trade, based on Norris’ health.

The rest all just seem like a big bag of “meh”.

And I guess that makes sense because with Adams the issues seem less about the moves he’s made and more about the ones he hasn’t.

[Thorny]

11 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Not sure if this is serious or random..?

I’m thinking I keep the Byram and the McLeod deals

And I chuck the Malenstyn and Reinhart deals.

I’d rather have a healthy, happy Eichel but given the circumstances I probably keep that deal?

TBD on the Cozens trade, based on Norris’ health.

The rest all just seem like a big bag of “meh”.

And I guess that makes sense because with Adams the issues seem less about the moves he’s made and more about the ones he hasn’t.

Why wouldn’t it be serious? Your non-defence defence of Adams on the lowest day for many fans wasn’t going to get a rebuttal? Haha 

Eichel and Reinhart deals are both terrible. The circumstances the GM helped create? Sure? Yes, bad trades, didn’t have to make them. Easy Nos there those are the two I started with 

Mittelstadt deal was next. He was really good here - our best forward statistically when we moved him. Byram hasn’t scratched that value here. Easy take back 

Malenstyn lol next. 

“Addition by subtraction ” re the cozens deal was always a cop out but, yes getting literally nothing wouldn’t be enough so I agree it depends on Norris. As of now it’s an exceptionally shaky return and is I’d imagine we’d have gotten more in the summer considering how mediocre the return seems, so there’s number 5.

Hall and Staal can aren’t guys I want atall

thats 7. 

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[dudacek]

7 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Why wouldn’t it be serious? Your non-defence defence of Adams on the lowest day for many fans…

I’m going to miss you calling me out on stuff like this.

Seriously.

[SABRES 0311]

6 hours ago, inkman said:

You answered a whole bunch of questions I never asked. 

That happens in discussions 🤩

[steveoath]

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I'd make the trade bigger. Get Dobson and Barzal. 

Edit: if the islanders want to rebuild. 

Would love barzal. Would add next years first and other stuff for him if we could. 

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

How many of these Adams trades would you reverse?

• Norris and Bernard Docker for Cozens, Gilbert and a 2nd
• McLeod for Savoie
• Pick 14 and Malenstyn for pick 11
• Byram for Mittelstadt
• Greenway for pick 56
• Tuch, Krebs, 1st, and 2nd for Eichel and a 3rd
• Levi and 1st for Reinhart
• 1st, 2nd and Hagg for Ristolainen
• 2nd and Bjork for Hall and Lazar
• Staal for Johansson

Just a question, not a statement.

 

 

I think there are solid arguments for Adams with every trade (given the circumstances surrounding each). A few, could even be called good trades.

The larger point though, is that in his 5 years Adams had traded away multiple young players that cost us a 1st rd pick to acquire, with nothing to show for it. Adams has traded Montour, Ristolainen, Reinhart, Eichel, Mittlelstadt, Savoie and Cozens (we acquired Montour with the 1st rd pick we received from San Jose for Evander Kane).  So, Adams has traded away seven players that we acquired using 1st rd picks, five of which were top 10 picks, two were 2nd overall.  Every one of the players traded is either still in the NHL or, in Savoie's case is still a prospect. Only Montour is over 30. These players are largely still in, or heading into, the prime of their careers. And 5 years into Adams's tenure, we had a 79 point season.  The year before Adams took over, in the covid shortened season under Botterill and Krueger, the Sabres had 68 points in 69 games; that is an 80-81 point pace.  Five years of Adams trading all these highly drafted and young players, has produced nothing.

So, it's not that Adams won't get value in any particular trade, but rather he will do nothing with the value he obtains.

Ray Ferrero said it best when he was doing a Sabre game a couple of years ago:  Buffalo's roster is just a collection of nice pieces. I'm not afraid that Adams will make a terrible trade. I just have no faith that any trade he makes will result in the Sabres becoming a playoff-level team. And so, every day that Adams remains GM is just putting off the day when the job is given to someone who might be able to get us there. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Archie Lee

[JohnC]

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/hosts/sabres-live

Within the above link is a 13 minute segment with Kris Baker on the show and talking about some prospects in the draft within our drafting range. More interesting, is his commentary about what we should do with our pick and with players in our system. His views on Kris Baker provided sound advice and concise opinions on how the Sabres should handle this offseason. He was emphatic that this team needs to get older.  His response about Ryan Johnson was very sensible.