Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Eleven said: Let's say they sign a G for $4M. They then trade UPL (837K) out for some mid-level pick. That's still 3.2M off of the 5.8. I'm not saying that they *can't* make a move, but they'd better be judicious about it. IF they can get some team to take Bryson for futures, that would help a lot. I don’t think there’s an UFA goalie worth it to sign, and certainly not for a price of $4m. I see Jones out there but really don’t want him. any new goalie probably comes via a trade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Currently we’re at 5.8 over with 2 extra NHL contacts than permitted. So let’s say we do the following trade: UPL, Oloffson, Joker and Rosen for Hellebuyck. That’s 6.1 of money coming in and 8.1 going out. We’re now at the correct amount of nhl rostered players and have 7.9m in cap space. After we send comrie down to Rochester we’ll have $10m. If we trade for Gibson instead of Helleybuyck using similar players, the cap would be at +9.6m. we’re very healthy cap wise and being over the rostered player limit something has to be in the works trade wise for a goalie. You don’t get full cap relief by burying Comrie in minors but your point is taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 I think the team is done in FA. I also expect that VO isn’t getting moved as long as Quinn is out. And the team will start camp with a 3 headed goalie monster. Here they are, your 23-24 Buffalo Sabres. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, tom webster said: You don’t get full cap relief by burying Comrie in minors but your point is taken. Good point, and his roster spot would also be replaced with an entry level contract (say Savoie for instance) at just under $1m all in all, KA’s approach here of signing too many NHL contracts is puzzling unless trades are coming. The takeaway here is we could afford a Helleybuyck/Gibson type goalie via the proper trade and still have plenty of cap left if we wanted to get one of the top remaining UFA forwards: Kane, Tarasenko, Tatar, Bertuzzi or Dumba for D. in saying that I don’t think KA will be allowed to spend to the cap ceiling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, tom webster said: A) there is always someone who thinks he can fix it B) Buffalo has the luxury of not needing his offense. Other teams could use him as strictly a power play specialist With the market for pending UFA Wingers being so poor, I wonder if moving his cap hit and trying to sign Tatar to a one year over pay is the right play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Weave said: I think the team is done in FA. I also expect that VO isn’t getting moved as long as Quinn is out. And the team will start camp with a 3 headed goalie monster. Here they are, your 23-24 Buffalo Sabres. Incredibly disappointing offseason if true, and not unexpected given Adams' m.o. But I'm not giving up until the final whistle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: UPL, Oloffson, Joker and Rosen for Hellebuyck. That’s 6.1 of money coming in and 8.1 going out. We’re now at the correct amount of nhl rostered players and have 7.9m in cap space. I'd love it if Winnipeg would make this trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Weave said: I think the team is done in FA. I also expect that VO isn’t getting moved as long as Quinn is out. And the team will start camp with a 3 headed goalie monster. Here they are, your 23-24 Buffalo Sabres. I don’t agree. Too many rostered players. One could be eliminated by sending Comrie to Rochester but 9 NHL defensemen is too many and KA never talks like he did about a player (Oloffson) without following through by trading him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: I'd love it if Winnipeg would make this trade. I’m honestly not sure what winnioeg’s needs are. If these players would even be attractive to them, though Rosen would be. I wouldn’t hate using the 2024 1st too as I’m expecting that pick to be in the 20s and our prospect pool is already tops in the league, or close Edited July 2, 2023 by Turbo44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Weave said: I think the team is done in FA. I also expect that VO isn’t getting moved as long as Quinn is out. And the team will start camp with a 3 headed goalie monster. Here they are, your 23-24 Buffalo Sabres. Wouldn't a press conference be scheduled then? I believe they're still on some players because of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalonill said: Wouldn't a press conference be scheduled then? I believe they're still on some players because of that I think they trade a defenseman, probably Joker as unfortunately Bryson is worthless. I think they surprise us with a name UFA forward shortly and trade Oloffson Trading for a goalie? I’m not sure it’ll happen? I could see them thinking that the upgrades of the UFA defensive defenseman will help the goalies but this would be a dangerous gamble. Interesting trade for a goalie, not really discussed is with Boston. They’re in desperate need of cap space. I could see them trading one of their goalies to us for UPL and a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Eleven said: I'd love it if Winnipeg would make this trade. Think it’s a good trade for 1 year who’s the competition? Devils and Kings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Just now, Crusader1969 said: Think it’s a good trade for 1 year who’s the competition? Devils and Kings? I think NJ dropped out of Helleybuyck and the kings signed somebody already. Only competition for Helleybuyck really is Winnipeg keeping him. Honestly though I’m not sure if KA has interest in him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I think they trade a defenseman, probably Joker as unfortunately Bryson is worthless. I think they surprise us with a name UFA forward shortly and trade Oloffson Trading for a goalie? I’m not sure it’ll happen? I could see them thinking that the upgrades of the UFA defensive defenseman will help the goalies but this would be a dangerous gamble. Interesting trade for a goalie, not really discussed is with Boston. They’re in desperate need of cap space. I could see them trading one of their goalies to us for UPL and a prospect. They could still screw over Boston with an offer sheet. Hopefully Adams isn’t afraid of pissing off some of his GM bredren 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: They could still screw over Boston with an offer sheet. Hopefully Adams isn’t afraid of pissing off some of his GM bredren That's just bad business and karma will likely hit buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: They could still screw over Boston with an offer sheet. Hopefully Adams isn’t afraid of pissing off some of his GM bredren Yep - for Swayman - I would love it but doesn’t seem KA’s ammo. But then you’d have 4 nhl goalies so trading UPL would have to be done Edited July 2, 2023 by Turbo44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Pimlach said: There is golf or other exercise, there is playing a musical instrument, drawing/painting, gardening/ landscaping, woodworking, volunteering …. you can do these things and many more and your wife might be happy that your not surfing the net or watching senseless TV. Your meatless meatloaf could become a nice juicy rib eye. Or silence, just sweet silence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I think NJ dropped out of Helleybuyck and the kings signed somebody already. Only competition for Helleybuyck really is Winnipeg keeping him. Honestly though I’m not sure if KA has interest in him You are right about the kings there is an article in athletic saying they will have to operate under the 23 man roster due to salary cap and that they will be running with the Copley / Talbot tandem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: That's just bad business and karma will likely hit buffalo Fking Boston is never bad business. Bad karma, probably with all the contracts in the upcoming years KA will have to deal with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Just now, Crusader1969 said: You are right about the kings there is an article in athletic saying they will have to operate under the 23 man roster due to salary cap and that they will be running with the Copley / Talbot tandem Copley/Talbot isn’t a good tandem, it they’re currently 1.5m over the cap so It would be a struggle to fit Hellebuyck’s 6.1 in. If we’re in on Hele, I think we’re basically bidding against ourselves. KA knows this so hopefully he’s been deriving a less costly deal?? Winnipeg is definitely in a tear down rebuild stage, right? If so, Keeping Hellebuyck in his last year makes no sense unless they just wait until the trade deadline to trade him. 2024 1st and a top prospect (Östlund or Rosen) would have to be enticing to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Fking Boston is never bad business. Bad karma, probably with all the contracts in the upcoming years KA will have to deal with I don't believe in offersheets to me in crates trust issues around the league and you've broken a unwritten rule. It's not about boston it's about other teams going Against you because of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Acquiring Hellebuyck would be terrific. But I am highly allergic to $10 M goalies. I’d be good with them Acquiring Hart. Offer up UPL and Olofsson for Hart and a 4th in 2024. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 41 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I don’t agree. Too many rostered players. One could be eliminated by sending Comrie to Rochester but 9 NHL defensemen is too many and KA never talks like he did about a player (Oloffson) without following through by trading him I believe it was already figured out there’s a simple solution to this; Bryson goes to Rochester 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Copley/Talbot isn’t a good tandem, it they’re currently 1.5m over the cap so It would be a struggle to fit Hellebuyck’s 6.1 in. If we’re in on Hele, I think we’re basically bidding against ourselves. KA knows this so hopefully he’s been deriving a less costly deal?? Winnipeg is definitely in a tear down rebuild stage, right? If so, Keeping Hellebuyck in his last year makes no sense unless they just wait until the trade deadline to trade him. 2024 1st and a top prospect (Östlund or Rosen) would have to be enticing to them? I would think so. Heck, for a rental with no competition (though not convinced NJD won’t be ) maybe you are talking a 2024 first and a B level prospect or 2? Or 2024 first , Joker and B level forward prospect ? 3 minutes ago, kas23 said: I believe it was already figured out there’s a simple solution to this; Bryson goes to Rochester Bryson to the moon sounds better 7 minutes ago, Zamboni said: Acquiring Hellebuyck would be terrific. But I am highly allergic to $10 M goalies. I’d be good with them Acquiring Hart. Offer up UPL and Olofsson for Hart and a 4th in 2024. Me too. Let him go to UFA and see what he can get 1 and done when it comes to Helleybuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, kas23 said: I believe it was already figured out there’s a simple solution to this; Bryson goes to Rochester Fair. He might be claimed but who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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