Eleven Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 I think this board has done a fair amount of projection with Antipin and cut him more slack than other players. He’s been worse than McCabe in a bad season and definitely behind Nelson in terms of poise and Guhle in terms of skill. Beaulieu for all his mental issues has better tools. He’s not strong and he’s not as fast as those choppy strides make him look. I like his attitude and his stick skills and think he has untapped upside on the offensive blueline. I hope they resign him and he takes a jump in year two after shaking off the culture shock. But he should have been in Rochester this year. Beaulieu gets an unfair crack on here because a very prominent and mostly respectable (but I still can't believe what he does with animals) poster loathes him. And Antipin is more advanced than both Nelson and Guhle. Geez. His only crime is that he isn't exactly the biggest D-man out there. He's fine as a starter on probably 26 out of 31 NHL teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Beaulieu gets an unfair crack on here because a very prominent and mostly respectable (but I still can't believe what he does with animals) poster loathes him. And Antipin is more advanced than both Nelson and Guhle. Geez. His only crime is that he isn't exactly the biggest D-man out there. He's fine as a starter on probably 26 out of 31 NHL teams. There has to be a valid reason for Housley to sit him as often as he does. I just can't figure out what that reason is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) Antipin might be more advanced than Guhle, but not by much and he’s 5 years older. He’s an offensive defensive who doesn’t create much offence. Nelson defends the rush better, joins the rush better, clears the zone better, moves the puck better and is just as good defending our net and playing the point. I was highly skeptical, but he’s won me over. I like Antipin, but I think communication problems have led him to make too many wrong decisions. Phil doesn’t trust him to play the system. Edited April 2, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 I like Antipin, but I think communication problems have led him to make too many wrong decisions. Phil doesn’t trust him to play the system. This seems like a reasonable conclusion to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 You'd rather have Falk and/or Nelson than Antipin? I'd rather have Nelson but I think Nelson is going to test the market and sign elsewhere, would prefer to have him back but I don't see it happening. Falk and Antipin are different types of defenders and I think Falk will hang around if nothing much changes. Antipin has been a disappointment and if he doesn't resign/isn't tendered I won't really mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) It is my hope that Nelson’s reasons for choosing Buffalo initially still apply, and that - despite his progress -he’s still not done enough to earn a more significant offer on the open market than he’s going to get here. More pertinent perhaps, there is a good chance that he feels he has carved a role for himself here that he likes under a coach he likes and that will be more attractive than jumping ship for a more uncertain role. I’m betting he signs a one-way deal here. Edited April 2, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 You'd rather have Falk and/or Nelson than Antipin? AHEM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Antipin would have benefited from spending some time in Rochester, unfortunately his contract prevented The Sabres from doing so. That being said I would bring him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) - Edited April 3, 2018 by Billznut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Can't believe Hartnell got 0 games for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Can't believe Hartnell got 0 games for this. It is precisely what I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Can someone explain why they think Nelson is in line for some great FA contract? What exactly has be proved to get more then a one year NHL minimum deal? He has 12 pts in 51 nhl games. 8 in 33 this season. If Buffalo does want him back, why would he go elsewhere when he knows he has Housley’s trust and our D group sucks giving him ample opportunity to prove himself. If I were in his shoes, i’d a take a one year deal here, and then go earn a long-term deal. Edited April 3, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Nelson has some leverage as a 25 year old UFA right defenceman. But I don’t think he is line for any big contract. I think he’ll probably sign with the first team to offer a two-year one-way deal no matter the wage. Edited April 3, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Harrington has written about how steamed Botterill and Housley are. The outcome was terrible, but it wasn't the crime of the century. Harrington called it "assault." That's funny. I watched it one more time. Antipin pivots, makes the reverse play, straightens up, relaxes and admires his pass. He has to be smarter in this league. I don't know how the KHL is. Edited April 3, 2018 by PASabreFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Harrington has written about how steamed Botterill and Housley are. The outcome was terrible, but it wasn't the crime of the century. Harrington called it "assault." That's funny. I watched it one more time. Antipin pivots, makes the reverse play, straightens up, relaxes and admires his pass. He has to be smarter in this league. I don't know how the KHL is. Exactly how Drury got hurt by Neal...admiring a shot... then got cheapshotted. cant do that.... even if a goon is not on the ice its likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Harrington has written about how steamed Botterill and Housley are. The outcome was terrible, but it wasn't the crime of the century. Harrington called it "assault." That's funny. I watched it one more time. Antipin pivots, makes the reverse play, straightens up, relaxes and admires his pass. He has to be smarter in this league. I don't know how the KHL is. It doesn’t mattter what Antipin did. The puck was gone and the play was going the other way. The hit was completely unnecessary and his own coach called it a stupid play. Just because the NHL demeed it a “legal” play it’s the type of play the is inherently dangerous and if the league was serious about the health of it’s players Hartnell would have been suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) It doesn’t mattter what Antipin did. The puck was gone and the play was going the other way. The hit was completely unnecessary and his own coach called it a stupid play. Just because the NHL demeed it a “legal” play it’s the type of play the is inherently dangerous and if the league was serious about the health of it’s players Hartnell would have been suspended. I keep hearing about comments Laviolette made, but I have yet to find one online. Can you help? I don't think the league deemed it a legal play. Edited April 3, 2018 by PASabreFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I keep hearing about comments Laviolette made, but I have yet to find one online. Can you help? I don't think the league deemed it a legal play. Definitely not. It was a major and a game misconduct, no? I still think there should have been a phone hearing, even if that resulted in no discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Ok they deemed it a “hockey” play not worth the leagues time to address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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