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50 minutes ago, darksabre said:

The Buffalo metro area has over a million people. The city might be small, but the suburbs push a lot of traffic downtown and ain't no one carpooling. 

The metro area includes Niagara Falls, Lockport, Amherst (Williamsville), Hamburg, Cheektovegas, West Seneca, etc. etc.  Enough 9-to-5 jobs to warrant 40k vehicles coming into just downtown Buffalo daily seems excessive.

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5 hours ago, Eleven said:

We move 40,000 cars in and out of downtown every weekday.  Considering that almost no football fans travel alone, I can't see traffic or parking being problems at all.

 

5 hours ago, ... said:

Do you have a source for that number? 

It's a city with the infrastructure for 500,000 people with the population of 250,000. I think traffic getting to a game will greatly improve if they move the stadium downtown.

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1 minute ago, ... said:

The metro area includes Niagara Falls, Lockport, Amherst (Williamsville), Hamburg, Cheektovegas, West Seneca, etc. etc.  Enough 9-to-5 jobs to warrant 40k vehicles coming into just downtown Buffalo daily seems excessive.

Half of the east side is empty lots because white people are too scared to live closer to where they work. 

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16 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Half of the east side is empty lots because white people are too scared to live closer to where they work. 

How is that East Side residence working out for you?

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Just now, ... said:

How is that East Side residence working out for you?

I work in the suburbs sooo 

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It’s not hard to imagine 40,000 cars coming into downtown in the morning or exiting in the afternoon. Bumper to bumper the 33 can hold up to 10,000 cars alone. 

Im sure one our analytics experts can write an equation showing how many cars going roughly 30 miles per hour along an 8.6 mile stretch of highway for about one hour and fifteen minutes would equal to. 

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13 minutes ago, tom webster said:

It’s not hard to imagine 40,000 cars coming into downtown in the morning or exiting in the afternoon. Bumper to bumper the 33 can hold up to 10,000 cars alone. 

Im sure one our analytics experts can write an equation showing how many cars going roughly 30 miles per hour along an 8.6 mile stretch of highway for about one hour and fifteen minutes would equal to. 

Right, and keep in mind that just like a football game, people are coming and going during roughly a 2.5-3 hour period in the mornings and evenings.  Some people get to work at 9am; some people get to the game at 1130 am.  Some people get to work at 730 am; some people get to the game at 9am to tailgate.  Etc.

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1 hour ago, tom webster said:

It’s not hard to imagine 40,000 cars coming into downtown in the morning or exiting in the afternoon. Bumper to bumper the 33 can hold up to 10,000 cars alone. 

Im sure one our analytics experts can write an equation showing how many cars going roughly 30 miles per hour along an 8.6 mile stretch of highway for about one hour and fifteen minutes would equal to. 

Yes, a fancy stat

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They are going to bulldoze the perry projects and put it there. They will extend the train down South Park to a stop somewhere close by. Probably make a stop for the casino and the stadium or a combined stop for them. There is enough land and they could use existing sabres lots and ramps plus whatever they build for the stadium. They will then fix infrastructure to get you out and onto the 190 or up to the 33. It will probably flow better than Orchard Park. 

This is my opinion of what they will do. 

Blue is the train line. Red is the rough outline of a stadium (65K people), the purple with lines is the new area to get on and off the 190. The other purple is new parking lots. I think roughly that is what they will do depending on how many of the businesses they can move out they may do more. I tried to estimate the size of the stadium to the scale of the current building. 

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2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

They are going to bulldoze the perry projects and put it there. They will extend the train down South Park to a stop somewhere close by. Probably make a stop for the casino and the stadium or a combined stop for them. There is enough land and they could use existing sabres lots and ramps plus whatever they build for the stadium. They will then fix infrastructure to get you out and onto the 190 or up to the 33. It will probably flow better than Orchard Park. 

This is my opinion of what they will do. 

Blue is the train line. Red is the rough outline of a stadium (65K people), the purple with lines is the new area to get on and off the 190. The other purple is new parking lots. I think roughly that is what they will do depending on how many of the businesses they can move out they may do more. I tried to estimate the size of the stadium to the scale of the current building. 

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The Pegulas (through 3rd parties/ shell corporations) have bought a lot of land in the city.  The new stadium will be built there.  Want to say it was around the Perry Projects is where they were buying the land, but don't recall exactly where they were buying up land.  Just know it was NOT at Cobblestone.

Should be seeing my source of that info in a month or 2.  Will post if the person tells me again where that is.

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Well, I gave it a quick try.  Can not find the number of cars going into downtown Buffalo every week day.  Still don't believe it's 40k.

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14 minutes ago, ... said:

Well, I gave it a quick try.  Can not find the number of cars going into downtown Buffalo every week day.  Still don't believe it's 40k.

You really don’t think there are 40k employees that travel from outside downtown?  

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20 minutes ago, Weave said:

You really don’t think there are 40k employees that travel from outside downtown?  

I looked for that number, too.

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That's more than double a capacity KeyBank Centre.  And people double-up, at least, with rides going there, if they don't use the train.  If you multiply by over 4x the amount of traffic and people roaming around prior to a game, it doesn't seem to me to equate the traffic and population filling into downtown Buffalo daily.

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1 hour ago, ... said:

I looked for that number, too.

1 hour ago, ... said:

That's more than double a capacity KeyBank Centre.  And people double-up, at least, with rides going there, if they don't use the train.  If you multiply by over 4x the amount of traffic and people roaming around prior to a game, it doesn't seem to me to equate the traffic and population filling into downtown Buffalo daily.

http://www.city-data.com/work/work-Buffalo-New-York.html

It says they daily population change of Buffalo is +47K.

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18 minutes ago, ... said:

Great!  Not all people drive solo and not all people work in DOWNTOWN Buffalo.

So 90% of Buffalo's commuting is done by car. Let's assume 85% of Buffalo's commuter jobs are in the downtown area since that's easily the most job dense part of the city, and then let's assume that (based on the data) 85% of those 90% of commuters are driving alone in a car, you're looking at about 30,000 people going straight into the downtown part of the city every day by themselves in a car. Does +30,000 look better to you?

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41 minutes ago, ... said:

Great!  Not all people drive solo and not all people work in DOWNTOWN Buffalo.

And not all city residents work in Buffalo.  A net +47K change would account for Buffalonians who leave to work in the suburbs.

I don't know why you find this so implausible.  It's not like 40,000 cars is a huge amount.

 

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2 minutes ago, Eleven said:

And not all city residents work in Buffalo.  A net +47K change would account for Buffalonians who leave to work in the suburbs.

I don't know why you find this so implausible.  It's not like 40,000 cars is a huge amount.

 

Good point. That makes 40,000+ cars coming into downtown every day much more plausible if say 67,000 people come into the city limits for work every day and 20,000 leave it. Play with that balance however you like.

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7 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Good point. That makes 40,000+ cars coming into downtown every day much more plausible if say 67,000 people come into the city limits for work every day and 20,000 leave it. Play with that balance however you like.

And there also are people like me who live in the city and drive downtown to work.

In a metro population of 1.1M, I don't see how 40,000 driving in and out of the financial and governmental center of that metro area is difficult to believe.  At all.

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In Athens, GA a town of 127k ppl can explode to 200k+ people for a game day, I'm sure they can manage 40k cars in dt buffalo. 

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1 hour ago, darksabre said:

So 90% of Buffalo's commuting is done by car. Let's assume 85% of Buffalo's commuter jobs are in the downtown area since that's easily the most job dense part of the city, and then let's assume that (based on the data) 85% of those 90% of commuters are driving alone in a car, you're looking at about 30,000 people going straight into the downtown part of the city every day by themselves in a car. Does +30,000 look better to you?

30k people makes more sense.  It does not equal 30k vehicles.

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1 minute ago, ... said:

30k people makes more sense.  It does not equal 30k vehicles.

I'm not saying 30k people, I'm saying 30k vehicles based on the number of people.

That said, Eleven's point about the difference being a net + means that the total of people is likely much higher, and therefore the number of cars as well. 40k cars looks reasonable.

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