That Aud Smell Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 I disagree. He's a very solid starter when healthy. I might quibble with "very" solid. He's a good player. Is the team's lack of interest in Mathews yet another sign that McDermott was serious as could be when he said he placed a huge premium on a player's availability? Seems that way to me. At this point, the Bills probably have the worst QB and WR situations in the league. It'll be interesting to see what they do to address both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 I disagree. He's a very solid starter when healthy. He's unbelievably average. Would have been nice to keep but I'm not losing any sleep over an average player who can't stay on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Hogan isn't a star, but he's a nice #3 or #4 WR who was far better than anyone the Bills had in those slots since they let him leave out of Whaley incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Hogan isn't a star, but he's a nice #3 or #4 WR who was far better than anyone the Bills had in those slots since they let him leave out of Whaley incompetence. Between the coach, system, and QB in New England, I think it's awfully difficult to have a fair evaluation of what sort of an NFL talent a guy like Hogan actually is. As you indicated, he's probably a nice #4 WR for the Bills (and for most teams, which means he should be a ST standout, too, btw (was he?)). In NE, he's an actual weapon ... but, really, that's because it's NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Between the coach, system, and QB in New England, I think it's awfully difficult to have a fair evaluation of what sort of an NFL talent a guy like Hogan actually is. As you indicated, he's probably a nice #4 WR for the Bills (and for most teams, which means he should be a ST standout, too, btw (was he?)). In NE, he's an actual weapon ... but, really, that's because it's NE. "Plus", Flagg added, leafing through the broadcast analyst player information packet, "he played lacrosse." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 "Plus", Flagg added, leafing through the broadcast analyst player information packet, "he played lacrosse." A lot of people forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 A lot of people forget that. And you wouldn't believe who Nick O'Leary's uncle is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRobertEichel Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 And you wouldn't believe who Nick O'Leary's uncle is! Or that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Incognito just retired... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Bills' Incognito telling reporters he's retiring: 'I'm done' https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1524534 As liger just said. Seems strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Oof, that one hurts a lot. We're really lucky Beane grabbed Dawkins. And I like Groy at C. But we have 3 spots on the line to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Coming off even more controversy at the end of last season, a little older, no QB, team just made the playoffs, asked to take a pay cut...not really that surprising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Actually, now I think we should look for a center and play Groy at LG. If we can find a decent center to sign or draft, our line won't even perform any differently IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 And you wouldn't believe who Nick O'Leary's uncle is! Do you mean his grandfather? Incognito just retired... Team isn't retaining talent. No one wants to risk his health playing in front of AJ McCarron, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Sort of a weird sequence of events. I wonder if he's actually angling to play somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Sort of a weird sequence of events. I wonder if he's actually angling to play somewhere else. Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 6m6 minutes agoMore .@68INCOGNITO on his pay cut: "It pisses me the f off. The contract and all that pissed me the f off and all that, but (retiring) has nothing to do with that." On whether there was a chance he'd change his mind: "Absolutely not." More to come. I think he wants to live and not have a crappy life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Good riddance. Obviously it hurts on the field and gives us another hole we have to fill. But good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) We may well get worse this season, no doubt about that. We've gotten rid of young headaches that either had, or were angling for, massive contracts. We destroyed a secondary with potential but seeking big dollars, and then rebuilt it cheaply into the best one I've seen in 12 years as a Bills fan. We loaded up on picks to finally make the move to get a franchise QB. We now have 100 million in cap space opened up for the 2020 offseason - meant to imply that we wiggled out of all of the potential long term damage set up by Doug. We completely rebuilt the tone and expectations of the locker room, and have a cohesive organizational vision that just happened to lead to ending the two decade playoff drought along the way despite "shedding talent".We will have our franchise QB starting and winning football games with a young core around him and 100 mil in cap space. I love where we are right now. Thank you McBeane. Edited April 10, 2018 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 6m6 minutes agoMore .@68INCOGNITO on his pay cut: "It pisses me the f off. The contract and all that pissed me the f off and all that, but (retiring) has nothing to do with that." On whether there was a chance he'd change his mind: "Absolutely not." More to come. I think he wants to live and not have a crappy life. It pisses him the eff off that, as an aging veteran on a rebuilding on the fly team, he was asked to, AND AGREED TO, restructure his deal a bit? He's pissed the eff off at the team that gave his NFL career a second chance? Screw you, Richie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 6m6 minutes agoMore .@68INCOGNITO on his pay cut: "It pisses me the f off. The contract and all that pissed me the f off and all that, but (retiring) has nothing to do with that." On whether there was a chance he'd change his mind: "Absolutely not." More to come. I think he wants to live and not have a crappy life. Well that was aggerssive Good riddance. Obviously it hurts on the field and gives us another hole we have to fill. But good riddance. Why? Side note, you need to start posting again. Otherwise I'm gonna catch you for post count, and that's not gonna look good for me, considering I joined years after you did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 53m53 minutes ago More @68INCOGNITO just told me the following: "I'm, done. That's it. It's been a long career. Went to the doctor. My liver and kidneys are shutting down. The stress is killing me. It's just about doing what's right. I just want to be in the Hall of Fame." Full story to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 53m53 minutes agoMore @68INCOGNITO just told me the following: "I'm, done. That's it. It's been a long career. Went to the doctor. My liver and kidneys are shutting down. The stress is killing me. It's just about doing what's right. I just want to be in the Hall of Fame." Full story to come. That I don't doubt. I know he was effective. But, man. Just look at the guy. He looks/looked awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 53m53 minutes agoMore @68INCOGNITO just told me the following: "I'm, done. That's it. It's been a long career. Went to the doctor. My liver and kidneys are shutting down. The stress is killing me. It's just about doing what's right. I just want to be in the Hall of Fame." Full story to come. He's a decent lineman, but Hall of Fame for what? His high school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Well that was aggerssive Why? Side note, you need to start posting again. Otherwise I'm gonna catch you for post count, and that's not gonna look good for me, considering I joined years after you did He's a racist, homophobic piece of garbage. Good riddance. He's a decent lineman, but Hall of Fame for what? His high school? Seriously. If he actually believes he's a HoFer, his kidneys aren't the only organs failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 He's a racist, homophobic piece of garbage. Good riddance. Was this ever confirmed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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