That Aud Smell Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 This is true. But the QB argument is not about what can be done, but what is likely to be done. As others have said, there's no better way to consistently compete than with a top-flight QB. Going the decent and defense route sends you into essentially a 2-year window before the defense gets dismantled due to the cap. If the Bills sell the world and end up with a HoF-level QB, nobody will care about the price. However, if they sell the farm and end up with Jameis Winston, they won't be better off than having kept Tyrod and built the roster more. It's definitely a risk, but that doesn't make it an unworthy risk. What do you make of Foles and to a lesser extent Keenum this past season? Is the age of the NFL system quarterback upon us? (Stated another way: Has the league finally started to catch up with Belichick?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Giants trade JPP + 4th round pick to Tampa Bay for 3rd+4th http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Giants trade JPP + 4th round pick to Tampa Bay for 3rd+4th http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Giants trade JPP + 4th round pick to Tampa Bay for 3rd+4th http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers Bills going to trade Jerry Hughes to the Giants with #12 and their 2 seconds for #2 (e3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Bills going to trade Jerry Hughes to the Giants with #12 and their 2 seconds for #2 (e3) This....this is actually a really good idea. Though as TSW points out, the Giants new DC runs a 3-4, and Hughes thrives as a DE in a 4-3 Edited March 22, 2018 by Jokertecken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Shaq Lawson would be a cheaper option for a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Shaq Lawson would be a cheaper option for a trade And might actually do better in that 3-4. That's an interesting idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Shaq Lawson would be a cheaper option for a trade Wouldn't be worth as much, and also plays a 4-3 though And might actually do better in that 3-4. That's an interesting idea. Shaq plays a 4-3. He was notable in his quotes when Rex left http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/why_buffalo_bills_de_shaq_lawson_found_it_odd_rex_ryan_doug_whaley_drafted_him.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Wouldn't be worth as much, and also plays a 4-3 though Shaq plays a 4-3. He was notable in his quotes when Rex left http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/why_buffalo_bills_de_shaq_lawson_found_it_odd_rex_ryan_doug_whaley_drafted_him.html I don't think Shaq's value would be much different from Hughes given the younger age and the cheaper contract compared to Hughes. It isn't always about performance. Either way, you aren't getting enough value in trading either of them to replace having to trade both #12 and #22 this year as well as some later picks this year. It's not worth creating a new hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Shaq Lawson suuuuuuuuuuccckkkkks. He was drafted as a pass rusher who can't rush the quarterback. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 By that reasoning, he shouldn't want to come here, either. Our top WR was Deonte Thompson, with 430 yards. Kelvin finished with 217, Zay with 316, Matthews with 282. Our WRs combined for 115 receptions. That's only 3 more than Jarvis Landry had on his own. Antonio Brown has beaten that number twice. Thompson signed a 1 year deal with the Cowboys, $2.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Giants traded Pierre Paul to the Bucs. This is great news for us. It likely means they are going after Chubb (DE) w the 2nd pick. So now instead of QBs going 1-3, Only 2 of the big 4 will be gone. This should improve our odds of making a deal to move up and get a QB if Beane is so inclined. It also increases the likelihood that a good QB will still be available at 12. Cleve and the Jets get their QB. After them the following teams are likely interested in a QB, but .... 5th Denver - signed Keenum 11th Miami - have Tannehill and cut Suh, probably need a DE 12th Bills - 15th Arizona - signed Glennon and Bradford. Do they have the draft capital to move up? 17th Chargers - Rivers is still really good. So who do they want? Mayfield, Allen or Rudolph? It’s possible that all three could be available to us at 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Giants traded Pierre Paul to the Bucs. This is great news for us. It likely means they are going after Chubb (DE) w the 2nd pick. Or it could mean the Giants plan to trade down. So who do they want? Mayfield, Allen or Rudolph? It’s possible that all three could be available to us at 12. Of those 3, Mayfield easily, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 No one is going to give them anything for Shaq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) No one is going to give them anything for Shaq. Shaq in his prime was a beast in the low post and dominant on the boards. We could probably get something for him even though his best years are behind him... :blush: Edited March 23, 2018 by Samson's Flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I'm pretty sure we're going to have to trade up 2 more times if we want to get to 2. 12-->4,5,6 4,5,6-->2 Gonna be expensive. I think 6 is most likely, Colts need more picks. There was a report that the Giants have 3 guys they like that aren't QBs: Barkley, Chubb, and another guy I can't remember. They know the Browns, the Jets and us are going QB, Denver could, too. If they have the #6 pick and the draft goes QB,QB,QB, Barkley, unknown, they know they can still get one of those three. 4 or 5 would be better, though. 5 Might be doable, but it depends on if the Broncos want a QB, or more importantly if they want the 4th QB taken. They could also trade up to 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Shaq in his prime was a beast in the low post and dominant on the boards. We could probably get something for him even though his best years are behind him... :blush: He's only two years out :lol: No one is going to give them anything for Shaq. Didn't Ragaland get a 2nd? If he did then I bet Shaq can Edited March 23, 2018 by Jokertecken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 He's only two years out :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Yup, probably should have read the rest of the post I quoted :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 He's only two years out :lol: Didn't Ragaland get a 2nd? If he did then I bet Shaq can 2019 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 2019 4th Well, might have been a little off on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) ESPN insider article has a projection of this class' QB's, some tidbits http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/22870189/2018-nfl-draft-projecting-booms-busts-top-quarterback-prospects Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), [/size]Christian Hackenberg (2016), [/size]Connor Cook (2016) and [/size]C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.[/size] Top 10 in QBASE since 1997 Philip Rivers Carson Palmer Donovan McNabb Baker Mayfield Russell Wilson Peyton Manning Marcus Mariota Byron Leftwich Aaron Rodgers Ben Roethlisberger The lessons of history can at least help us figure out how much of a risk each quarterback prospect will be. That's the point of Football Outsiders' Quarterback-Adjusted-Stats-and-Experience (QBASE) projection system. It looks at college performance, experience and expected draft position (to incorporate scouting information that college stats will miss). To allow some time for development, QBASE projects a quarterback's efficiency (passing only) in Years 3-5 of his career, according to Football Outsiders' defense-adjusted yards above replacement (DYAR) metric. 50,000 simulations produce a range of potential outcomes for each prospect, with players drafted later generally having a larger range of possibilities. Right on cue, Josh Allen continues to be remarkably inaccurate during his pro day Edited March 23, 2018 by Jokertecken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I'm 100% convinced Allen or Allen's agent knows people because the NFL network is absolutely blowing this guy right now and he's missing every deep ball he's had. Misses the deep route 3 times in a row 'That's just a perfect throw.' HOW?? He missed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I'm 100% convinced Allen or Allen's agent knows people because the NFL network is absolutely blowing this guy right now and he's missing every deep ball he's had. Misses the deep route 3 times in a row 'That's just a perfect throw.' HOW?? He ###### missed it! I'm reasonably convinced that Allen's agent was behind those "the Bills want Allen" rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/977255108298854402 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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