darksabre Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I can't believe the Hawks are still this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I can't believe the Hawks are still this good. It's incredible. And Toews and Kane are still only 26/27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 going to be a exciting finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think Chicago steam rolls Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think Chicago steam rolls Tampa. I agree. I don't think Tampa has the expierence to beat them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I can't believe the Hawks are still this good. Stan Bowman certainly has moved from his father's shadow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Stan Bowman certainly has moved from his father's shadow. Now that the Blackhawks are going to the Finals, the Timmonen trade turns into TWO 2nd round picks. Bowman traded TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old D-man that has been a healthy scratch. Bowman is riding Tallon's coattails, they're going to be in big trouble starting next year. They better win it this year because it's going to be a while before they're back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Well what a disappointing game 7. This series offered up some great games though. On to Wednesday night. I say Chicago in 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Now that the Blackhawks are going to the Finals, the Timmonen trade turns into TWO 2nd round picks. Bowman traded TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old D-man that has been a healthy scratch. Bowman is riding Tallon's coattails, they're going to be in big trouble starting next year. They better win it this year because it's going to be a while before they're back. Come on JJ, them some looooong Tallon coattails. Tallon's been gone 5 years. Bowman has done a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Come on JJ, them some looooong Tallon coattails. Tallon's been gone 5 years. Bowman has done a great job. True, but he is responsible for Crawford, Kane, Toews and Hossa. Hossa, Toews, Kane, Crawford and Sharp will account for $38,000,000 of a $71,000,000 cap next year with Kruger and Saad due for a pay raise. Either they will have no supporting cast or a big contract will have to come off the books. They don't have any 1st round picks this year, they don't have any 2nd round picks next year. Things will be getting tough in Chi-town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Crawford and Sharp are both expendable with Teuvo coming up and Darling. Chicago has shown they can win no matter the goalie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Now that the Blackhawks are going to the Finals, the Timmonen trade turns into TWO 2nd round picks. Bowman traded TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old D-man that has been a healthy scratch. Bowman is riding Tallon's coattails, they're going to be in big trouble starting next year. They better win it this year because it's going to be a while before they're back. Unless Toews and Kane retire the Hawks will be Cup Contenders for some time. Possibly 3 Cups in six years. If they win the Hawks enter that conversation of all-time great teams, along with the Oilers & Islanders just behind the Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Crawford and Sharp are both expendable with Teuvo coming up and Darling. Chicago has shown they can win no matter the goalie Darling is a nut job. There is a reason he's played for 11 teams in 6 years. They don't think they could win with any goalie or else they wouldn't have dropped $6mil/yr on Crawford. Unless Toews and Kane retire the Hawks will be Cup Contenders for some time. Possibly 3 Cups in six years. If they win the Hawks enter that conversation of all-time great teams, along with the Oilers & Islanders just behind the Canadians. We'll see. I think they're going to have a harder time building up a supporting cast than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 The Hawks signed Artemi Panarin who led his team in scoring in ghe KHL which included Kolvachuk. The Hawks are going to be fine. Unless Toews and Kane retire the Hawks will be Cup Contenders for some time. Possibly 3 Cups in six years. If they win the Hawks enter that conversation of all-time great teams, along with the Oilers & Islanders just behind the Canadians. Tru Dat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) True, but he is responsible for Crawford, Kane, Toews and Hossa. Hossa, Toews, Kane, Crawford and Sharp will account for $38,000,000 of a $71,000,000 cap next year with Kruger and Saad due for a pay raise. Either they will have no supporting cast or a big contract will have to come off the books. They don't have any 1st round picks this year, they don't have any 2nd round picks next year. Things will be getting tough in Chi-town. I get your point. The Sabres have just gone through 2 years of crap hockey to come in last. If we could win just 1 cup (like the Blackhawks), I think the fans of Buffalo could certainly live through several years of "Blackhawk Type" suffering as you suggest. I agree, the Blackhawks will be challenged, but when you have a Cup or two in your back pocket, the challenge is just that, a challenge. I'll take on the challenge of REMAINING great over the challenge of GETTING great any time. Edited May 31, 2015 by Tondas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) I'll make a bet that the Hawks get to another Cup after this one before the Sabres do Edited May 31, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Players on the current roster acquired since Stan Bowman took over: Andrew Desjardins (trade 2015 for Ben Smith and a conditional 7th) Brad Richards (2014 free agent) Joakim Nordstrom (2010 third round draft) Andrew Shaw (2011 5th round draft) Teuvo Teravainen (2012 1st round draft) Antoine Vermette (trade 2015 for a prospect and a 2015 first) Kris Versteeg (trade 2013 for two prospects) Kyle Cumiskey (2014 free agent) Johnny Oduya (trade 2012 for a 2nd and 3rd) Michal Rozsival (2014 free agent) David Rundblad (trade 2014 with a throw-in for a 2nd) Kimmo Timonen (trade 2015 for a 2nd and a conditional that turned into a 2nd with this SC appearance) Scott Darling (2014 free agent) Players who have departed since Stan Bowman took over: Cam Barker (trade 2010 for Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy) Dave Bolland (trade 2013 for a 2nd and two 4ths) Troy Brouwer (trade 2011 for a 1st) Adam Burish (2010 free agent) Dustin Byfuglien (trade 2010 for Marty Reasoner, Joey Crabb, Jeremy Morin, a 1st and a 2nd) Brian Campbell (trade 2011 for Rostislav Olesz) Ben Eager (trade 2010 with Dustin Byfuglien) Colin Fraser (trade 2010 for a 6th) Andrew Ladd (trade 2010 for Ivan Vishnevskiy and a 2010 2nd) Antti Niemi (free agent 2010 - Bowman famously chose Hjalmarsson over Niemi, putting faith in Corey Crawford) Has also locked up Patrick Kane (2023), Jonathan Toews (2023), Niklas Hjalmarsson (2019), Duncan Keith (2023), Corey Crawford (2020), Patrick Sharp (2019), Brent Seabrook (2016), Bryan Bickell (2017) with extensions since taking over. Hardly seems to be riding anybody else's work. This does not consider players who have come and gone in between this year and 2009 (like Nick Leddy). Edited May 31, 2015 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 So several great players have left under Bowman while the majority of players that he's added are either bottom line players or routine healthy scratches; while greatly overvaluing some players and giving them to coin to match. All while leaving little to work with for the remaining roster. In the meantime the team continues to win on the backs of players that Tallon is responsible for. Versteeg? Vermette? Richards? Really? TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old defenseman that hadn't even played for nearly a year and is now watching from the press box? Just because he's accomplished a lot, doesn't mean they're positive accomplishments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'll make a bet that the Hawks get to another Cup after this one before the Sabres do I know no one's going to want to touch this action... but I will. I'm dangerous that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 So several great players have left under Bowman while the majority of players that he's added are either bottom line players or routine healthy scratches; while greatly overvaluing some players and giving them to coin to match. All while leaving little to work with for the remaining roster. In the meantime the team continues to win on the backs of players that Tallon is responsible for. Versteeg? Vermette? Richards? Really? TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old defenseman that hadn't even played for nearly a year and is now watching from the press box? Just because he's accomplished a lot, doesn't mean they're positive accomplishments. I don't see where this 2nd 2nd rounder is coming from, I read over the trade and it says 3rd rounder if they make it past the 2nd round, otherwise a 4th rounder. Source? Does Tallon deserve credit, yes; he helped form the juggernaut called the Blackhawks through a few drafts, trades, and signings. However to say Bowman is devoid of any significant influence on the team's continued success is absurd. For starters Bowman had to do the next hardest job in maintaining the roster to continue its success. Choosing Hjalmarsson over Niemi was a key but risky move, he put faith in an inexperienced goalie in order to save the 3rd D-man. No matter how many times he's forced to shed his bottom 6 plus the occasional Top 6 player, he continues to retool year after year while leaving their core completely intact. Just look at Pittsburgh, this retooling process is what did them in, they never were able to create a second set of players that with their core could win a Cup. The Johnny Oduya trade was also well done. I will admit, his most recent trades for Vermette and Timonen weren't all that great, but Vermette has certainly played well in these last two series for the Hawks and Timonen strikes me as someone who looked okay for a 6th/7th D-man but just didn't turn out ready enough. The Hawks have at least 2 injured defensemen in Van Riemsdyk and now Rozsival, and Rundblad has proven himself not ready for playoff hockey yet. Brad Richards contrary to what you say in my opinion was a ingenious move by Bowman. The Hawks lacked a 2nd line Center, they signed him ultra cheap, and he's still skilled enough to be stimulated by Kane's elite talent. Bowman isn't perfect, but he's done certainly well enough to keep the ship steered in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 So several great players have left under Bowman while the majority of players that he's added are either bottom line players or routine healthy scratches; while greatly overvaluing some players and giving them to coin to match. All while leaving little to work with for the remaining roster. In the meantime the team continues to win on the backs of players that Tallon is responsible for. Versteeg? Vermette? Richards? Really? TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old defenseman that hadn't even played for nearly a year and is now watching from the press box? Just because he's accomplished a lot, doesn't mean they're positive accomplishments. What "great" players left? Ladd and Byfuglien? They have one playoff appearance since leaving and he traded them. He's made some good tough decisions. He won a cup. Is that not a positive accomplishment? He's going to another cup. Is that not an accomplishment, six years into his takeover? Or should he have acquired Enroth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 So several great players have left under Bowman while the majority of players that he's added are either bottom line players or routine healthy scratches; while greatly overvaluing some players and giving them to coin to match. All while leaving little to work with for the remaining roster. In the meantime the team continues to win on the backs of players that Tallon is responsible for. Versteeg? Vermette? Richards? Really? TWO 2nd round picks for a 40 year old defenseman that hadn't even played for nearly a year and is now watching from the press box? Just because he's accomplished a lot, doesn't mean they're positive accomplishments. Your affections are starting to make a lot more sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 In a league full of big-name players, no one comes up bigger in the playoffs than Jonathan Toews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I can't believe the Hawks are still this good. I hope our rebuild is even HALF as successful as the 'Hawks. They have set the bar for tank and rebuild. 3 Stanley Cup appearances, and 5 Conference Finals appearances in 8 seasons since 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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