nfreeman Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Good hockey talk here boys. While I agree with dudacek's lock top line & D pairing, I think the rest of it is still pretty fluid. I'm reluctant to project anything with much confidence as I I've only seen parts of 2 preseason games plus some highlights. However, I think the 2nd & 3rd lines are still to be determined, and I think that Nolan and Murray both naturally lean towards sending the youngsters down -- both Reinhart and Griggy. OTOH, I also think/guess the talk here has been too optimistic on Griggy and too pessimistic on Reinhart. I would not be at all surprised if Griggy were in Rochester and Reinhart in Buffalo to start the season -- in fact, I kind of expect this to be the case because I think they want to look at Reinhart for his 9 games. But I also think TM and TN won't hesitate to send Reinhart back to juniors after the 9 games unless he looks really effective. Ultimately, I think Reinhart will go back down after his 9 games and Griggy will stay in Rochester until one of the top 9 is hurt. On D, I don't think both Risto and McCabe will open the season in the starting lineup, and I think Pysyk isn't supposed to be back for the opener -- which means, most likely, Risto in Buffalo, McCabe in Rochester, Weber as the #6 defenseman and Strachan as #7. Then, when Pysyk returns, I think he goes in if Weber or Meszaros has been shaky; otherwise, Pysyk goes to Rochester to play his way into shape. Pysyk and McCabe then fight it out in Rochester for first shot at replacing any of the top 6 who gets hurt or, in the case of the bottom 2, gets the yips. So, opening night: Moulson-Ennis-Stafford Hodgson-Zemgus-Stewart Foligno-Reinhart-Gionta Flynn-McC-Deslauriers extra: Mitchell Myers-Gorges Risto-Benoit Weber-Meszaros extra: Strachan But maybe game 40: Moulson-Ennis-Stafford Hodgson-Griggy-Stewart Foligno-Zemgus-Gionta Kaleta-McC-Deslauriers Myers-Gorges Risto-Benoit Pysyk-Meszaros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Good hockey talk here boys. While I agree with dudacek's lock top line & D pairing, I think the rest of it is still pretty fluid. I'm reluctant to project anything with much confidence as I I've only seen parts of 2 preseason games plus some highlights. However, I think the 2nd & 3rd lines are still to be determined, and I think that Nolan and Murray both naturally lean towards sending the youngsters down -- both Reinhart and Griggy. OTOH, I also think/guess the talk here has been too optimistic on Griggy and too pessimistic on Reinhart. I would not be at all surprised if Griggy were in Rochester and Reinhart in Buffalo to start the season -- in fact, I kind of expect this to be the case because I think they want to look at Reinhart for his 9 games. But I also think TM and TN won't hesitate to send Reinhart back to juniors after the 9 games unless he looks really effective. Ultimately, I think Reinhart will go back down after his 9 games and Griggy will stay in Rochester until one of the top 9 is hurt. On D, I don't think both Risto and McCabe will open the season in the starting lineup, and I think Pysyk isn't supposed to be back for the opener -- which means, most likely, Risto in Buffalo, McCabe in Rochester, Weber as the #6 defenseman and Strachan as #7. Then, when Pysyk returns, I think he goes in if Weber or Meszaros has been shaky; otherwise, Pysyk goes to Rochester to play his way into shape. Pysyk and McCabe then fight it out in Rochester for first shot at replacing any of the top 6 who gets hurt or, in the case of the bottom 2, gets the yips. So, opening night: Moulson-Ennis-Stafford Hodgson-Zemgus-Stewart Foligno-Reinhart-Gionta Flynn-McC-Deslauriers extra: Mitchell Myers-Gorges Risto-Benoit Weber-Meszaros extra: Strachan But maybe game 40: Moulson-Ennis-Stafford Hodgson-Griggy-Stewart Foligno-Zemgus-Gionta Kaleta-McC-Deslauriers Myers-Gorges Risto-Benoit Pysyk-Meszaros You're one of the few (if not the only) that consistently put Zemgus above the third line. From what I've heard (didn't watch much preseason), he didn't really do anything this preseason. I don't think he has any reason to be or shot at being a top six center. Especially not right now. Guys like Reinhart or Grigorenko should be getting top six minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 You're one of the few (if not the only) that consistently put Zemgus above the third line. From what I've heard (didn't watch much preseason), he didn't really do anything this preseason. I don't think he has any reason to be or shot at being a top six center. Especially not right now. Guys like Reinhart or Grigorenko should be getting top six minutes. I'd bet Girgensons will be averaging more minutes per night than Reinhart or Grigorenko. The way he skates, I don't know why you think he can't develop into at top 2 center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I expect a waiver wire pickup this week, McNabb if he's exposed. Taking Freeman's list, move Foligno or Weber down a line, then Flynn, Mitchell or Strachan to Rochester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I expect a waiver wire pickup this week, McNabb if he's exposed. Taking Freeman's list, move Foligno or Weber down a line, then Flynn, Mitchell or Strachan to Rochester. Why the heck would we pick up anyone on waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'd bet Girgensons will be averaging more minutes per night than Reinhart or Grigorenko. The way he skates, I don't know why you think he can't develop into at top 2 center. Definitely. I will be shocked if this is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. How much of the preseason did you see ? Grigorenko and Stewart are far from players that need " protected" minutes. Zemgus might skate well, he has no were near the talent and on ice vision Grigorenko or Reinhart has. If he makes it onto top 6 minutes its on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 How much of the preseason did you see ? Grigorenko and Stewart are far from players that need " protected" minutes. Stewart has an entire career of being lackluster defensively, excuse me for not ignoring that because he wasn't terrible at it during the preseason. Grigorenko is a rookie center, so I don't think it's ludicrous to think having him on the ice against even a Kreicji-like center would end poorly for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think Grigo won a spot on this team. However what I think they could do is give Reinhart his stint and send him back to the juniors then and call up Grigorenko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Why the heck would we pick up anyone on waivers? This is not a team that can't be improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 This is not a team that can't be improved? Certainly not by picking up McNabb ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Zemgus was top six to finish last year and — crappy camp notwithstanding — has been the most impressive of the kids so far. I don't think it's a stretch to think he will get top six minutes, especially on a team expected to be among the dregs of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Zemgus was top six to finish last year and — crappy camp notwithstanding — has been the most impressive of the kids so far. I don't think it's a stretch to think he will get top six minutes, especially on a team expected to be among the dregs of the league. I also think Zemgus averages more ice time than Grigo *assuming Grigo makes the team*. However, to the bolded, Gus was top 6 to finish a season when the bottom 6, and sometimes part of the top 6, were nothing more than AHL'ers. This season is different. This is a team of NHL talent this year. BTW, I don't think Gus' "more minutes" with come 5 on 5. He'll get PK time that Grigo won't. And I'm not sure that Grigo gets much powerplay time this season. Edited October 5, 2014 by weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 How much of the preseason did you see ? Grigorenko and Stewart are far from players that need " protected" minutes. Protection has nothing to do with offensive ability or vision. It's about playing poor defensive players in the offensive zone to minimize the risk of getting goals scored against you. A line of 80-25-19 screams D zone iissues.they might be the Sabres 3 worst defensive forwards, ON THE SAME FREAKING LINE. But Nolan doesn't care much for stats and all that so hopefully he starts then plenty in the D zone. Tank on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I bet Cody Mac starts at Rochacha and moves up after Reinhart's 9 games. I think if you send Grigo down now you take away from the off- and pre-season efforts he put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Protection has nothing to do with offensive ability or vision. It's about playing poor defensive players in the offensive zone to minimize the risk of getting goals scored against you. A line of 80-25-19 screams D zone iissues.they might be the Sabres 3 worst defensive forwards, ON THE SAME FREAKING LINE. But Nolan doesn't care much for stats and all that so hopefully he starts then plenty in the D zone. Tank on! I think you're being a little quick on the trigger here. We still don't know the entire roster, or how TN will roll the lines in actual NHL games yet. Maybe he does give the 80-25-19 sheltered minutes, or maybe that line never plays together. Give Nolan a little bit of a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think you're being a little quick on the trigger here. We still don't know the entire roster, or how TN will roll the lines in actual NHL games yet. Maybe he does give the 80-25-19 sheltered minutes, or maybe that line never plays together. Give Nolan a little bit of a shot. I really want to give TN the benefit of the doubt. I thinks he's a cerebral guy, just more like Marv Levy give each player a different book to read type coach vs a know how to use each player to maximize effectiveness type coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 If it hasnt been pointed out yet: Tuesday is the last day teams can use waivers to clear space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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