dudacek Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) So you you've read the reports, watched and listened to the games. Who is here opening night? I see Ennis/Moulson/Stafford/Myers/Gorges as a lock on the first line. Hodgson and Stewart are bookends on the second. Gionta and Foligno should flank Girgensons (despite a very nondescript camp) on the third. And McCormick wasn't signed to play in the minors. He'll anchor the fourth. Meszaros and Benoit are locks on the blue line and Risto should join them. He's ready. Neuvirth backs up Enroth Rounding out the blue line, Weber held off Strachan and McCabe has earned a shot, at least until Pysyk gets healthy. Zadorov didn't show enough. They won't risk Deslauriers on waivers, but I think he's earned a spot on the fourth line anyway. Flynn and Mitchell outlasted Dalpe for the other depth spots, at least until Kaleta comes back. And Mikhail Grigorenko edges Sam Reinhart for the number two centre spot. They will probably keep Sam around for his nine games just to see what plays out because there is a spot available. But right now there is no room for him in the top nine. Edited October 4, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) I'm assuming that Grigo goes down while Reinhart gets his 9 games, and when the 9 are up Grigo will be back. But if it is going to who "deserves it" IMO Reinhart goes down right away and Grigo stays with the Sabres. From what little I've seen Grigo beat Reinhart for the job, plain and simple. I wish I saw more of the games. I'd like to know how Strachan looked compared to Weber. I expect the 7th slot is between them. Risto makes the team. When Pysyk returns I'm not sure what happens. I'd guess whichever among Weber/Strachan stayed up will get waived to make room. Zads goes back to juniors. As good as he looked last year, I think it was a product of how little D talent we had. Z did not win a job this preseason. So I guess we end up with something like this? Moulson Ennis Stafford Hogdson Grigo Stewart Mitchell Girgensens Gionta Foligno McC Kaleta/Flynn Dalpe Deslaurier I don't know what the D pairs will look like but overall I think the 7 that stay will be: Gorges, Myers, Mezaros, Benoit, Risto, one of Weber/Strachan, and I agree that McCabe gets in until Pysyk is healthy. When Kaleta returns I assume that Dalpe goes down. Edited October 4, 2014 by weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 You know, if Reinhart looks decent in his 9 games we could end up with a center ice that has Ennis, Grigo, Reinhart, Girgensens. Jeez. We haven't had that kind of center ice depth in too long. What if? Moulson Ennis Staff Hodgson Grigs Stewart Mitchell Reinhart Gionta McC Girgs Kaleta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 You know, if Reinhart looks decent in his 9 games we could end up with a center ice that has Ennis, Grigo, Reinhart, Girgensens. Jeez. We haven't had that kind of center ice depth in too long. What if? Moulson Ennis Staff Hodgson Grigs Stewart Mitchell Reinhart Gionta McC Girgs Kaleta That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Really soured on Foligno, weave, or just forgot him? I think the organization is really counting on him to bounce back and expects him to be more than a fourth-liner. That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. At home though, they could do a lot of damage, especially against shallow teams. Edited October 4, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 At home though, they could do a lot of damage, especially against shallow teams. Well that's why I had the caveat about Nolan's approach. They could do damage at home, but will they be deployed in a way that allows it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Really soured on Foligno, weave, or just forgot him? I think the organization is really counting on him to bounce back and expects him to be more than a fourth-liner. Forgot him.. But that is in good part because he has been rather invisible. A 4th line of Foligno Girgs and McC/Kaleta might be the best 4th line in the league. I can't think of a better one. ZOMG a 4th line of NHL'ers! That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. That is the line Nolan was showcasing this preseason, no? I think that is what he goes with. Edited October 4, 2014 by weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. Let's see, you defend Hodgson frequently, and no one will diss Stewart, so your concern must be Grigorenko. Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Let's see, you defend Hodgson frequently, and no one will diss Stewart, so your concern must be Grigorenko. Yes? I get where he is coming from. PhD has stated in the past that Hodgson is poor defensively. Noone should expect Grigo to be great defensively as a rook. I'm not sure Stewart is known for his defensive abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I get where he is coming from. PhD has stated in the past that Hodgson is poor defensively. Noone should expect Grigo to be great defensively as a rook. I'm not sure Stewart is known for his defensive abilities. Exactly this. There's not a single player on that line who is defensively responsible, let alone better than that. Could be a huge liability on the road and maybe even at home, depending on how Nolan handles it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. I agree. Hodgson is a mess in the D zone and Grigorenko hasn't show to be a defensive stalwart, either. Until they learn that part of the game, those two need to be separated or they'll both be minus 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I didn't find Grigorenko or Stewart defensively shocking during the preseason games, myself. Indeed, I thought Grigorenko's back checking was pleasantly surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I didn't find Grigorenko or Stewart defensively shocking during the preseason games, myself. Indeed, I thought Grigorenko's back checking was pleasantly surprising. I saw it the same way you did but I don't expect Grigo to be decent in his zone when the pressure is on during the regular season. I would be pleasantly surprised indeed if he looked defensively "acceptable" when he plays exclusively against NHL'ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I agree. Hodgson is a mess in the D zone and Grigorenko hasn't show to be a defensive stalwart, either. Until they learn that part of the game, those two need to be separated or they'll both be minus 40. But that was at center, Hodgson might be way better High along the wall in the de-zone. Not as much skating for him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Fortunately, second lines usually play somewhat protected minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 But that was at center, Hodgson might be way better High along the wall in the de-zone. Not as much skating for him there. Yes, I overlooked that he was at wing. I recall that helped him last year. At center, he was defensively brutal. Too much responsibility. and that's why I hated that position myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I find this slightly amusing. Grigo should go back to Roch for a little more seasoning with his improved physical self. Nolan will lose some credibility if Grigo goes back to Roch right away because he has earned a spot here. I think I just send the little guy back to juniors right off the bat and Nikita also without question. I think Jake stays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I find this slightly amusing. Grigo should go back to Roch for a little more seasoning with his improved physical self. Nolan will lose some credibility if Grigo goes back to Roch right away because he has earned a spot here. I think I just send the little guy back to juniors right off the bat and Nikita also without question. I think Jake stays. Who are your 4 centers then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Who are your 4 centers then? Kareem, Russell, Shaq and the dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cage Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 That second line looks like a smart opposing coach's wet dream. I don't know how much matching and specialization Nolan plans on doing, but that second line needs heavily protected minutes. I guess I don't understand this comment. That 2nd line could pretty good. I think that's a pretty legitimate 2nd line in any building. I don't seen how Grigorenko can be sent down after all the talk of "earning your position" That's been repeated 100 times by Murray and Nolan. They can't possibly look the guy in the eye and tell he's the on that has to go down between Dalpe, Reinhart, Mtichell, Flynn and him. It would defy all credibility. They guy did the work, acknowledged his previous immaturity and has done everything anyone could request to make the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I guess I don't understand this comment. That 2nd line could pretty good. I think that's a pretty legitimate 2nd line in any building. I don't seen how Grigorenko can be sent down after all the talk of "earning your position" That's been repeated 100 times by Murray and Nolan. They can't possibly look the guy in the eye and tell he's the on that has to go down between Dalpe, Reinhart, Mtichell, Flynn and him. It would defy all credibility. They guy did the work, acknowledged his previous immaturity and has done everything anyone could request to make the team I agree from what I seen and heard from the coaching staff is that Grigs really has earned a spot. As much as I like Reinhart he didn't do anything to earn a spot and needs more time. I like where Grigs is heading I just wish he could have 1 full year in Rochester before earning a spot. I wonder with some teams with cap trouble if Murray makes a trade for another young player who already has some minor and nhl experience but just not good enough to grab a top 6 spot on another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Who are your 4 centers then? Ennis Gus Grigo Cody Mac Although I wont be surprised if Nolan put Ennis on the wing and Hodgson in his place. Kareem, Russell, Shaq and the dream What? No love Clyde the drive?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I guess I don't understand this comment. That 2nd line could pretty good. I think that's a pretty legitimate 2nd line in any building. They might be a legit scoring line, debatable in my book but what's not up for debate is the lack of D on that line. That's almost certainly going to cost you a goal or three a game. When Grigorenko, is your D forward on a line, bad things man, bad things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Grigo surprised me with his D last year in Rochesternd again in training camp, but I agree, on the surface, it's a risky line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 They might be a legit scoring line, debatable in my book but what's not up for debate is the lack of D on that line. That's almost certainly going to cost you a goal or three a game. When Grigorenko, is your D forward on a line, bad things man, bad things. And that's all I was saying. Just picture what would happen if there's a Dzone faceoff and Nolan puts them out there for whatever reason. The opposition wouldn't be able to put their top scoring line out fast enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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