Eleven Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 So the Sabres have two available, and one is almost certainly to be used on Leino. Is it possible that they have to use the other on Ehrhoff? The grid (below) on possible recapture penalties if he retires--even if he's traded first--is scary: http://capgeek.com/recapture-grid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Do you think he retires in the next 5 years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) If he is traded it will be worse as the Sabres won't gain the credit from the final years of the deal where his cap hit is greater than his salary. I don't think I would buy him out as those penalties are not likely to be all that restrictive, especially with a rising cap. However, even if salary is retained, I don't think I would risk trading him Edited June 13, 2014 by Lanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I don't really think that Ehrhoff's cap recapture will be too much of a problem. What we can get for him in a trade would be more appealing than worrying about the potential of what might happen years from now. I would rather use the other buyout on somebody else's mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I'd accept a buyout right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) I don't really think that Ehrhoff's cap recapture will be too much of a problem. What we can get for him in a trade would be more appealing than worrying about the potential of what might happen years from now. I would rather use the other buyout on somebody else's mistake. That $10M hit in 2020 could be pretty crippling for one season. Edited June 13, 2014 by Lanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 That $10M hit in 2020 could be pretty crippling for one season. Yeah, just when they should be peaking, too. It's a legitimate concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Murray said he'd be looking to take on some salary if it meant moving back into the first round. Bob McKenzie said Murray has told teams he'll use a compliance buyout for another team's bad contract, so I think they'll save it for that. Ehrhoff will be 36 when the last year of his deal comes in. I think he could easily finish the deal without retiring. Edited June 13, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 $10M cap hit in 2020? http://www.capgeek.com/player/121 I don't see why Ehrhoff would be a compliance buyout candidate. He has a very cap friendly contract, especially considering most of the real money was paid up front. Only thing I can tell that would be detrimental is the length. And the type of player Ehrhoff is, I can easily see him playing well into his late 30's, if not to 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 $10M cap hit in 2020? http://www.capgeek.com/player/121 I don't see why Ehrhoff would be a compliance buyout candidate. He has a very cap friendly contract, especially considering most of the real money was paid up front. Only thing I can tell that would be detrimental is the length. And the type of player Ehrhoff is, I can easily see him playing well into his late 30's, if not to 40. If he is traded and retires prior to the 2020 season, the Sabres have a recapture penalty of $10M http://www.capgeek.com/recapture-calculator/?contract_id=3266&player_id=121&recapture_submit=set&retirement_year=2020&trade=1&acquiring_team=6&in_season_trade=0&in_season_traded_year=2013&season_percentage=1&off_season_traded_year=2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 If he is traded and retires prior to the 2020 season, the Sabres have a recapture penalty of $10M http://www.capgeek.c...raded_year=2014 The cap will probably be $100 by then anyway. However, he would be retiring at mid-late 30s. That is fine, it isn't like he is signed until he is 45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 If he is traded and retires prior to the 2020 season, the Sabres have a recapture penalty of $10M http://www.capgeek.c...raded_year=2014 Ah, thank you. Forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Can the Sabres restructure Ehrhoff's contract to eliminate the recapture issue? Or is the damage already done because the front-loaded payouts have already been made? Can the Sabres somehow petition to take the recapture hit on their cap now, when they have the space? That would compensate for how the original contract circumvented the rules and address the spirit of what the recapture was designed to police. What if Ehrhoff "retires" now, we pay the penalty, which takes us to the floor, then we resign him? Edited June 13, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Do you think he retires in the next 5 years ? How many of those does he play like he did this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Murray said he'd be looking to take on some salary if it meant moving back into the first round. Bob McKenzie said Murray has told teams he'll use a compliance buyout for another team's bad contract, so I think they'll save it for that. Ehrhoff will be 36 when the last year of his deal comes in. I think he could easily finish the deal without retiring. He easily could. Or he could have a series of knee injuries (a la Drury) and call it quits at 34. That could happen here, but the Sabres could at least convince him (hopefully) to play it out on LITR (like Pronger) and not kill the teams cap. Another team may not give him the option or actively encourage him to retire to screw the Sabres. I'm in the keep him or buy out, but not trade camp. Edited June 13, 2014 by MattPie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 He easily could. Or he could have a series of knee injuries (a la Drury) and call it quits at 34. That could happen here, but the Sabres could at least convince him (hopefully) to play it out on LITR (like Pronger) and not kill the teams cap. Another team may not give him the option or actively encourage him to retire to screw the Sabres. I'm in the keep him or buy out, but not trade camp. Sure, he COULD have knee injuries. So could whoever we pick at 2. Should we trade the pick because maybe that player will get hurt and retire? No. These are all pretty big maybes. Murray should make the move that he thinks benefits the team, which, to me, would be to get the most out of an Ehrhoff trade now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 How many of those does he play like he did this season? He's been a damn good D-man. I can't hold the last quarter of this past season against him. I'm for keeping him if he wants to stay. No matter how much people want to tear a team apart and start from scratch, you need some veterans no matter how you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Sure, he COULD have knee injuries. So could whoever we pick at 2. Should we trade the pick because maybe that player will get hurt and retire? No. These are all pretty big maybes. Murray should make the move that he thinks benefits the team, which, to me, would be to get the most out of an Ehrhoff trade now. You're right that it's all a gamble, but gambling with what will be at least 10% of of your cap space (in the worst case, and if the cap is $100M by then) is a pretty big gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I'd buyout Leino with a normal buyout then use our two on other teams screw ups. I have a question though, if we traded for Hossa from Chicago and bought him out with a compliance buyout, would Chicago be allowed to resign Hossa? If yes, I'd give Stan Bowman a call; Hossa's recapture is worse than Ehrhoffs by the simple fact his contract goes well into his 40's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 One thing I wondered was if we could re-acquire Ehrhoff later on and use a regular buyout on him to avoid the huge recapture. I'd buyout Leino with a normal buyout then use our two on other teams screw ups. I have a question though, if we traded for Hossa from Chicago and bought him out with a compliance buyout, would Chicago be allowed to resign Hossa? If yes, I'd give Stan Bowman a call; Hossa's recapture is worse than Ehrhoffs by the simple fact his contract goes well into his 40's No, a team can't trade a player and then resign them after they're bought out using a compliance buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 None of these guys are going to retire early. They are all going to Chris Pronger their way to the end of their contracts. This is absolutely an unwritten agreement between the Owners and the NHLPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 What if Ehrhoff "retires" now, we pay the penalty, which takes us to the floor, then we resign him? If he retired now the penalty would be the $10M divided amongst the years remaining on the contract, so only like $1.43M per season for the next 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Can the Sabres restructure Ehrhoff's contract to eliminate the recapture issue? Or is the damage already done because the front-loaded payouts have already been made? Can the Sabres somehow petition to take the recapture hit on their cap now, when they have the space? That would compensate for how the original contract circumvented the rules and address the spirit of what the recapture was designed to police. What if Ehrhoff "retires" now, we pay the penalty, which takes us to the floor, then we resign him? NHL contracts can't be restructured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 One thing I wondered was if we could re-acquire Ehrhoff later on and use a regular buyout on him to avoid the huge recapture. No, a team can't trade a player and then resign them after they're bought out using a compliance buyout. Are you certain, because I know you can't sign the guy you bought out, but if Buffalo were to buy him out wouldn't we then be the team unable to resign him? Could you send me a link to this info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 How many of those does he play like he did this season? If I had it my way he's playing like that for someone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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