Hoss Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 So we can all agree that it's going to take an arm, a leg and your favorite pet to get the first overall pick (or into the top three for that matter). I think there's a way to do it, though. The teams picking in the top five are going to want players in order to move their picks. To get to the first pick, you're going to have to first trade up into the top five so Colorado doesn't fall too far. So how about this: BUF trades Thomas Vanek to Nashville for the number four overall pick. Nashville really needs offense. They may desire a young piece to be included in the deal or another pick (midlevel prospect or a second rounder). Then we turn around and deal the fourth pick and Tyler Myers to the Avs for the first overall pick. To get this done and land Nathan MacKinnon, we'd likely have to assume a small bit of Myers' contract (but we'll have so much cap space that this part is completely irrelevant). To sweeten the deal, we could add a second rounder and/or take back a bad contract from the Avs. Would you do this? (Essentially giving up Myers, Vanek and maybe a mid-round pick and/or prospect to land Nathan MacKinnon). Obviously I would considering I'm posting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 If I were the Sanres yes. If I was any other team no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 If I were the Sanres yes. If I was any other team no. So not if you're the Sabres? :flirt: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I want vanek, miller and Myers gone for whatever good return we can get, so sure. Myers isn't going to be that #1 d man we All want. And vanek and miller are past their time here in buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 So we can all agree that it's going to take an arm, a leg and your favorite pet to get the first overall pick (or into the top three for that matter). I think there's a way to do it, though. The teams picking in the top five are going to want players in order to move their picks. To get to the first pick, you're going to have to first trade up into the top five so Colorado doesn't fall too far. So how about this: BUF trades Thomas Vanek to Nashville for the number four overall pick. Nashville really needs offense. They may desire a young piece to be included in the deal or another pick (midlevel prospect or a second rounder). Then we turn around and deal the fourth pick and Tyler Myers to the Avs for the first overall pick. To get this done and land Nathan MacKinnon, we'd likely have to assume a small bit of Myers' contract (but we'll have so much cap space that this part is completely irrelevant). To sweeten the deal, we could add a second rounder and/or take back a bad contract from the Avs. Would you do this? (Essentially giving up Myers, Vanek and maybe a mid-round pick and/or prospect to land Nathan MacKinnon). Obviously I would considering I'm posting this. Can teams trade players and still assume part of their contracts? If Nashville is willing to give up the #4 pick for Vanek I would make that deal. I would then pick 4th, 8th and 16th. If Colorado is interested in Myers? I would look for their 2nd rounder this season #32 and their 1st next year in return. Looking to pick up the #1 overall pick is exciting and would make for some great conversations. I just don't think it is the right move for this franchise considering where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I would do it. not sure the other teams would though. I would take 1, 8, and 16 all day. Get Phillys 11 for Miller why your at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 No way in hell I lose Vanek, Myers AND take part of Myers contract just to get the #1 pick. No way! Putting all your eggs in one basket is a stupid move, not to mention taking a risk on somebody who's never played in the league. No #1 pick is worth that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Myers sucks and us overpaid. Vanek Is here one more year at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 It's still way too much to give up for an unproven rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 No way in hell I lose Vanek, Myers AND take part of Myers contract just to get the #1 pick. No way! Putting all your eggs in one basket is a stupid move, not to mention taking a risk on somebody who's never played in the league. No #1 pick is worth that much. It's still way too much to give up for an unproven rookie. I just don't follow this reasoning, at least if we assume Vanek won't re-sign (not guaranteed, but I think this is the safe money). We'd be trading 1 year of Vanek, in which we're unlikely to be a contending team, Myers, and a few million dollars for somebody who has a favorable chance of being a perennial all-star and will be on a cheap contract for years. Myers is no more guaranteed to be the guy he's capable of than the #1 pick. I just don't see how that's an unreasonable trade. IMO every rebuilding team needs a foundational, cornerstone piece to build around--MacKinnon is that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 The first trade with Vanek yes, but only with a 4th rounder coming to Buffalo too. :P The 2nd trade I disagree with its price Myers, the 8th pick and a 2nd next year should be enough seeing as although Myers has been lessening in value; he still has a lot. Miller for the 11th is weak and it would be stupid to trade Miller to a rival franchise who Buffalonians despise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I just don't follow this reasoning, at least if we assume Vanek won't re-sign (not guaranteed, but I think this is the safe money). We'd be trading 1 year of Vanek, in which we're unlikely to be a contending team, Myers, and a few million dollars for somebody who has a favorable chance of being a perennial all-star and will be on a cheap contract for years. Myers is no more guaranteed to be the guy he's capable of than the #1 pick. I just don't see how that's an unreasonable trade. IMO every rebuilding team needs a foundational, cornerstone piece to build around--MacKinnon is that guy. Sorry, I just don't see any of the top 3 being worthy of that much. I don't see any draft pick period being worth that much. Of course that is dependent on whether or not Vanek wants to stay and an extension is in the works. Vanek is worth much more than people are giving him credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Vanek, hell yah, give the Sabres the fourth for that. If they can get seven or higher for Myers, ship his lazy ass out of town for that, too. This team has NOTHING going for it the next few seasons as it is, may as well stock up on real talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I don't know why people are subscribing to this notion that it's going to take a few years to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I don't know why people are subscribing to this notion that it's going to take a few years to rebuild. Seems obvious to me. I do not see anything indicating the Sabres can be a contender within a few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I would move Miller, Vanek, Myers, Sekera, #8 and #16, and three future 2nd round picks to pick #1 & #2 and select Drouin and MacKinnon. Make it happen. Lol. Edit: Good chance this is the biggest overpayment ever. But i don't care really. That would be exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I don't know why people are subscribing to this notion that it's going to take a few years to rebuild. Seems obvious to me. I do not see anything indicating the Sabres can be a contender within a few seasons. The Sabres said as much themselves. We have "suffering" to look forward to in the near future. That was Regier's word. This franchise hasn't hit rock bottom yet. The next couple of seasons will be rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I would do whatever it takes to land the number 1 pick. Then take MacKinnon. He would be the cornerstone. I would also like to do whatever it takes to pick Drouin. Pipe dream, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 The first trade with Vanek yes, but only with a 4th rounder coming to Buffalo too. :P The 2nd trade I disagree with its price Myers, the 8th pick and a 2nd next year should be enough seeing as although Myers has been lessening in value; he still has a lot. Miller for the 11th is weak and it would be stupid to trade Miller to a rival franchise who Buffalonians despise. I would do whatever it takes to land the number 1 pick. Then take MacKinnon. He would be the cornerstone. I would also like to do whatever it takes to pick Drouin. Pipe dream, though. Technically you could: #1 pick + next years 3rd rounder for Myers and the 8th (Potential #1 D-Man + Former Calder Trophy winner and the 8th overall) #3 pick for Miller (Tampa needs a goalie in order to make the playoffs) #4 pick for Stafford, McNabb/Sekera and the #16 (Nashville is looking for scoring and a top 4 D man) Suddenly we draft 1,3,4 without touching Vanek who may want to stay with that much skill arriving albeit young. 1. MacKinnon 2. Jones 3. Drouin 4. ???? If Florida take Drouin, we take Jones with 3 or 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I doubt Myers is that easy to move, given his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 wookie ... #4 ????? = ... Fucale ... ;) ===== Feeling a bit better today. Working part-time on my "draft Fucale" campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 The first trade with Vanek yes, but only with a 4th rounder coming to Buffalo too. :P The 2nd trade I disagree with its price Myers, the 8th pick and a 2nd next year should be enough seeing as although Myers has been lessening in value; he still has a lot. Miller for the 11th is weak and it would be stupid to trade Miller to a rival franchise who Buffalonians despise. As discussed numerous times in other threads Miller to Philly would involve more than just the 11 pick. I also don't think we have anything to fear about the divisional rival thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I doubt Myers is that easy to move, given his contract. He has a great contract if he pans out, I don't understand the terribleness to his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 The Sabres said as much themselves. We have "suffering" to look forward to in the near future. That was Regier's word. This franchise hasn't hit rock bottom yet. The next couple of seasons will be rock bottom. Since when did we start trusting Darcy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 He has a great contract if he pans out, I don't understand the terribleness to his contract. Because he just came off yet a season of regression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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