LabattBlue Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Matt Ellis? Why would he "sweeten" any deal? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Right below the schedule on the right side of the main Sabrespace page under transactions it has Miller going to the Detroit Red Wings, and then to "unknown"......hahahahahaha....too funny It's a feed from sportsnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolignosJock Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 It's a feed from sportsnet. Anything behind it? I tried to look up the links but it just takes you to the homepage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Anything behind it? I tried to look up the links but it just takes you to the homepage... I think that Eklund is behind some of these rumours through "sportsnet" ... they IMO like to stir the pot at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hahhaah maybe they need veteran leadership for their AHL team? what organization these days cares about their minor league teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bob McKenzie said something very similar on NHL Network. He also mentioned Leino, Leopold, Regher and Miller. He said the biggest isses with all the players is that they have big contracts and some time left while they are all underperforming. He even went as far as saying Regier was going to have a hard time getting the proper value for those players until they start performing. To paraphase what he said on Miller specifically, 'Who wants to trade for a goalie, having his worst professional season with two years of $6.25 under contract?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolignosJock Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 what organization these days cares about their minor league teams? I was being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bob McKenzie said something very similar on NHL Network. He also mentioned Leino, Leopold, Regher and Miller. He said the biggest isses with all the players is that they have big contracts and some time left while they are all underperforming. He even went as far as saying Regier was going to have a hard time getting the proper value for those players until they start performing. To paraphase what he said on Miller specifically, 'Who wants to trade for a goalie, having his worst professional season with two years of $6.25 under contract?' The islanders...oh wait DP is clogging up a lot of cap space to sit on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolignosJock Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The islanders...oh wait DP is clogging up a lot of cap space to sit on IR. No he isnt... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Matt Ellis? Why would he "sweeten" any deal? First name that came to mind. Admittedly he wouldn't but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obstructedorangeseats Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bob McKenzie said something very similar on NHL Network. He also mentioned Leino, Leopold, Regher and Miller. He said the biggest isses with all the players is that they have big contracts and some time left while they are all underperforming. He even went as far as saying Regier was going to have a hard time getting the proper value for those players until they start performing. To paraphase what he said on Miller specifically, 'Who wants to trade for a goalie, having his worst professional season with two years of $6.25 under contract?' I'm a little surprised to see Regehr's name thrown in there. Granted, it's just a rumor, but along with Myers, he'd probably the only defenseman I'd want to keep because his skill set is different from any of the other defenders on the roster (physical, veteran presence, defensive defenseman, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I still think people underestimate what we can get in a trade for Roy/Stafford in particular. Coaches and GMs have planet-sized egos, they always think they're so special they can turn around underperformers. Look how often Gratton got traded. Scott Gomez had one of the worst contracts in the history of the NHL, and he plus a few low level prospects got moved for a package that included Ryan McDonagh and a few low level prospects. McDonagh is now on the Rangers top pairing with Dan Girardi, the top record in the league, and the 2nd best defense in the league. You can always find a team who sees raw talent in an underachiever and is willing to take a chance. The problem, as I see it, is that Regier is looking for a top-6 for top-6 deal, which I find unlikely. Anybody interested in acquiring Roy or Stafford is in win now mode, and it's highly unlikely they trade away one of their better players, unless he himself is seriously underperforming and has an albatross of a contract....in which case, this move doesn't help the Sabres long-term. I think our best options are to write off this year, sell off Boyes/Leopold/Gaustad/Hecht for mid-round picks and then see what we can do with Roy and Stafford. I think Roy is borderline very moveable, and a team like Chicago that needs a #2 center and has ridiculous center depth in the organization seems like a natural fit. They have 3 center prospects which project to the top 6, and I think we could pry one of them away in a deal, plus whatever requisite players are needed to make the salaries work. Frankly, I think a lot of Roy's shortcomings either go away or become relatively unimportant if he's filling the proper role on a team, that of a #2 center. On Chicago he'd be behind Toews, wouldn't be responsible for top defensive assignments, and probably wouldn't be asked to kill penalties. It seems like a perfect fit to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'm a little surprised to see Regehr's name thrown in there. Granted, it's just a rumor, but along with Myers, he'd probably the only defenseman I'd want to keep because his skill set is different from any of the other defenders on the roster (physical, veteran presence, defensive defenseman, etc.). I was surprised when I heard it too because I think he has a no trade clause in his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolignosJock Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I still think people underestimate what we can get in a trade for Roy/Stafford in particular. Coaches and GMs have planet-sized egos, they always think they're so special they can turn around underperformers. Look how often Gratton got traded. Scott Gomez had one of the worst contracts in the history of the NHL, and he plus a few low level prospects got moved for a package that included Ryan McDonagh and a few low level prospects. McDonagh is now on the Rangers top pairing with Dan Girardi, the top record in the league, and the 2nd best defense in the league. You can always find a team who sees raw talent in an underachiever and is willing to take a chance. The problem, as I see it, is that Regier is looking for a top-6 for top-6 deal, which I find unlikely. Anybody interested in acquiring Roy or Stafford is in win now mode, and it's highly unlikely they trade away one of their better players, unless he himself is seriously underperforming and has an albatross of a contract....in which case, this move doesn't help the Sabres long-term. I think our best options are to write off this year, sell off Boyes/Leopold/Gaustad/Hecht for mid-round picks and then see what we can do with Roy and Stafford. I think Roy is borderline very moveable, and a team like Chicago that needs a #2 center and has ridiculous center depth in the organization seems like a natural fit. They have 3 center prospects which project to the top 6, and I think we could pry one of them away in a deal, plus whatever requisite players are needed to make the salaries work. Frankly, I think a lot of Roy's shortcomings either go away or become relatively unimportant if he's filling the proper role on a team, that of a #2 center. On Chicago he'd be behind Toews, wouldn't be responsible for top defensive assignments, and probably wouldn't be asked to kill penalties. It seems like a perfect fit to me. Isnt patrick sharp their #2 center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Isnt patrick sharp their #2 center? They like Sharp as a winger. The reason they tried Kane at center to start the season was they wanted Sharp permanently on the wing. Even now I believe they play Bolland a lot at the #2 center spot, and he's clearly a 3rd liner. Sharp is like a good version of Hecht....he can play center and not kill you, but it really isn't where you want him if you can at all help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obstructedorangeseats Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I was surprised when I heard it too because I think he has a no trade clause in his contract. Wonder if he'd waive it to go to a contender? His contract is short enough where he could be attractive to a team looking to add veteran presence and a solid d-man. Rangers maybe? Although IIRC they were looking for a puck-moving d-man. It might make sense, if the Sabres totally blow it up, his contract is over after next season and I doubt he signed here with that sort of rebuild in mind. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan2456 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I agree with consensus that two of the three aren't top six forwards. Look at DR's last three deadline acquisitions: Boyes, Torres, Moore. The last two were supposed to be top six also. They left here to be 3rd and 4th line players on contenders last year. Does this organization know what a top six forward is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I agree with consensus that two of the three aren't top six forwards. Look at DR's last three deadline acquisitions: Boyes, Torres, Moore. The last two were supposed to be top six also. They left here to be 3rd and 4th line players on contenders last year. Does this organization know what a top six forward is? Funny you ask that question. What did Regier spend to get Torres? I know Moore and Boyes he gave up 2nd round picks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 First name that came to mind. Admittedly he wouldn't but you get the idea. He's the first guy I think of as well... ...when I think no skill, not a modecum of talent, journeyman, JAG, AHL player, guys who look like Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Funny you ask that question. What did Regier spend to get Torres? I know Moore and Boyes he gave up 2nd round picks for them. Sabres gave Patches and a second for him. Pick ended up being Petr Straka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderingEye Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Funny you ask that question. What did Regier spend to get Torres? I know Moore and Boyes he gave up 2nd round picks for them. A 2nd round pick as well, with Nathan Paetsch thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Anything behind it? I tried to look up the links but it just takes you to the homepage... Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I still think people underestimate what we can get in a trade for Roy/Stafford in particular. Coaches and GMs have planet-sized egos, they always think they're so special they can turn around underperformers. Look how often Gratton got traded. Scott Gomez had one of the worst contracts in the history of the NHL, and he plus a few low level prospects got moved for a package that included Ryan McDonagh and a few low level prospects. McDonagh is now on the Rangers top pairing with Dan Girardi, the top record in the league, and the 2nd best defense in the league. You can always find a team who sees raw talent in an underachiever and is willing to take a chance. The problem, as I see it, is that Regier is looking for a top-6 for top-6 deal, which I find unlikely. Anybody interested in acquiring Roy or Stafford is in win now mode, and it's highly unlikely they trade away one of their better players, unless he himself is seriously underperforming and has an albatross of a contract....in which case, this move doesn't help the Sabres long-term. I think our best options are to write off this year, sell off Boyes/Leopold/Gaustad/Hecht for mid-round picks and then see what we can do with Roy and Stafford. I think Roy is borderline very moveable, and a team like Chicago that needs a #2 center and has ridiculous center depth in the organization seems like a natural fit. They have 3 center prospects which project to the top 6, and I think we could pry one of them away in a deal, plus whatever requisite players are needed to make the salaries work. Frankly, I think a lot of Roy's shortcomings either go away or become relatively unimportant if he's filling the proper role on a team, that of a #2 center. On Chicago he'd be behind Toews, wouldn't be responsible for top defensive assignments, and probably wouldn't be asked to kill penalties. It seems like a perfect fit to me. That only means that there will be GMs interested, GM's love finding the "diamonds in the rough" or "players needing a change of scenery", but they aren't looking at giving up much to get them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah. Last year at the trade deadline. I know I keep beating this drum but it was the right thing to do. Sabres MGT missed there chance to blow the thing up and get a quick rebuild started. Now we are in a cap mess and are at the mercy of teams that know we are not dealing from a position of strength. MGT really dropped the ball in their evaluation of this team last season. Right now I would be happy if Roy and Stafford we dealt for a couple of ready-for-NHL prospects with top 6 projections. Get them here, get them in NHL games, get the next era started. Oh, this right here. I was SO hoping we'd deal Stafford after last season. We won't get any top 6 players in return for our guys now but we might get prospects with that potential. That'll be enough to make me happy. Add to the new core (Myers and Co.) by blowing up the current core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Oh, this right here. I was SO hoping we'd deal Stafford after last season. We won't get any top 6 players in return for our guys now but we might get prospects with that potential. That'll be enough to make me happy. Add to the new core (Myers and Co.) by blowing up the current core. Agree totally. I think the best we can do at this point in the season is rid ourselves of the rotten core... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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