fan2456 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I hate playing monday morning quarterback , but this is what happens when you bring in a lot of new pieces over a short time. Sometimes , certain pieces just dont click , or it will take a couple seasons for this team to gel and learn how to effectively utilize eachothers strengths and weaknesses. I say shut down players with nagging injuries , and play out the rest of the season , set ourselves up for an early draft pick. When did you start watching this team? Just asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Why is it hard to believe that the same front office that couldn't get a contract to the NHL in time because of a "broken fax machine" is capable and willing to ignore phone calls from other GM's. Ineptness and arrogance has been a part of Darcy's regime right from the early days. Bucky has nothing to gain by lying about the situation. I am sure that the team prez and owner would know if it isn't truthful and therefore the story wouldn't lead to a firing that shouldn't happen. It isn;t like a yarn that gets told in the media is going to result in team ownership making a decision they wouldn't make otherwise. There is no doubt in my mind that the stuff Bucky and Hammy report about the failings of this front office are credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 For anyone saying the media is taking things personal, up until last year when Hamilton started openly yapping about front office failures, this crew got along scott free. Bucky was the only one who would hold feet to the fire all along, and he was preaching patience for the first 30 games of this year. Sully always yaps, but his hockey knowledge and sources aren't solid enough to pay attention to other than a thermometer of the fans. Vogl was always a pussycat and Harrington never really stirred the pot. This is beyond a disaster at this point. It could have been staved off last February, last June, December 1st, January 1st......now it is just sorting through wreckage. That's the sad part. For as much as people hated to hear "negativity"....this could have been avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Why is it hard to believe that the same front office that couldn't get a contract to the NHL in time because of a "broken fax machine" is capable and willing to ignore phone calls from other GM's. Ineptness and arrogance has been a part of Darcy's regime right from the early days. Bucky has nothing to gain by lying about the situation. I am sure that the team prez and owner would know if it isn't truthful and therefore the story wouldn't lead to a firing that shouldn't happen. It isn;t like a yarn that gets told in the media is going to result in team ownership making a decision they wouldn't make otherwise. There is no doubt in my mind that the stuff Bucky and Hammy report about the failings of this front office are credible. I find it interesting that Bucky would mention the failure to return phone calls on twitter, but not in the newspaper (unless I missed it). It would make sense that a guy who won't even listen when another team needs or wants to make a trade now finds himself ignored, but I want more than 140 characters before I am convinced that this is, in fact, true. Still, I'd give him only three more days (I said a week last Wednesday, right?) to make a player(s)-for-player(s) trade before pulling the plug on him. Anyone can trade players for picks at the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I find it interesting that Bucky would mention the failure to return phone calls on twitter, but not in the newspaper (unless I missed it). It would make sense that a guy who won't even listen when another team needs or wants to make a trade now finds himself ignored, but I want more than 140 characters before I am convinced that this is, in fact, true. Still, I'd give him only three more days (I said a week last Wednesday, right?) to make a player(s)-for-player(s) trade before pulling the plug on him. Anyone can trade players for picks at the deadline. It isn;t the first time he's reported this. He's editorialized about it several times in print. And Paul Hamilton has discussed it on air in seasons past as well. It is documented but you'll have to do some digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I find it interesting that Bucky would mention the failure to return phone calls on twitter, but not in the newspaper (unless I missed it). He alludes to it: The team he built is broken, and he's made no repairs despite mounting losses. It falls directly at his feet. If he can't find trade partners after years of not returning telephone calls, the Sabres need to hire someone who can. It isn;t the first time he's reported this. He's editorialized about it several times in print. And Paul Hamilton has discussed it on air in seasons past as well. It is documented but you'll have to do some digging. Hamilton has talked about it (DR not returning calls) too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hamilton has talked about it (DR not returning calls) too? Yes he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 It isn;t the first time he's reported this. He's editorialized about it several times in print. And Paul Hamilton has discussed it on air in seasons past as well. It is documented but you'll have to do some digging. He also mentioned it at the Pegula round table with the Buffalo News when Pegula first took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 It isn;t the first time he's reported this. He's editorialized about it several times in print. And Paul Hamilton has discussed it on air in seasons past as well. It is documented but you'll have to do some digging. I trust you if you say he's written about it and Hamsammich has discussed it. He alludes to it: The team he built is broken, and he's made no repairs despite mounting losses. It falls directly at his feet. If he can't find trade partners after years of not returning telephone calls, the Sabres need to hire someone who can. Hamilton has talked about it (DR not returning calls) too? Missed it on the first read. That's enough for me. My mind already is made up on DR anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Why is it hard to believe that the same front office that couldn't get a contract to the NHL in time because of a "broken fax machine" is capable and willing to ignore phone calls from other GM's. Ineptness and arrogance has been a part of Darcy's regime right from the early days. Bucky has nothing to gain by lying about the situation. I am sure that the team prez and owner would know if it isn't truthful and therefore the story wouldn't lead to a firing that shouldn't happen. It isn;t like a yarn that gets told in the media is going to result in team ownership making a decision they wouldn't make otherwise. There is no doubt in my mind that the stuff Bucky and Hammy report about the failings of this front office are credible. I don't think Bucky would outright lie about it. But leave out important details and context which may weaken his point? Yes. However.....I COMPLETELY forgot about the fax machine incident :doh: . Everybody is right, he definitely IS incompetent enough to just ignore other GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I trust you if you say he's written about it and Hamsammich has discussed it. Missed it on the first read. That's enough for me. My mind already is made up on DR anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M_BYqFQC0k Haha!! Nice find! This fits the story better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres1970 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 My belief is that if there is a move made, it won't happen until after tuesday. A trade maybe, but what's the point of firing a coach with one game left before a week and a half long break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yes he has. Interesting. Kinda shoots some holes in the idea that it is just Bucky or TBN holding grudges or pushing an agenda. Missed it on the first read. That's enough for me. My mind already is made up on DR anyway. That makes two of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 If he isn't fired over the All-Star break, I do look forward to hearing some "FIRE DARCY clap clap clap clap clap" chants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForTripping Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 If he isn't fired over the All-Star break, I do look forward to hearing some "FIRE DARCY clap clap clap clap clap" chants. That would be nice BUT that arena makes about as much noise as a rat pissing on cotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here's what bugs me about that one. If Darcy has this bad reputation among other teams. Why is it that Ted Black and the other new front office guys, who all worked for another team, didn't know this coming in? That makes zero sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here's what bugs me about that one. If Darcy has this bad reputation among other teams. Why is it that Ted Black and the other new front office guys, who all worked for another team, didn't know this coming in? That makes zero sense to me. It's a very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here's what bugs me about that one. If Darcy has this bad reputation among other teams. Why is it that Ted Black and the other new front office guys, who all worked for another team, didn't know this coming in? That makes zero sense to me. Maybe they wanted to give him time without handcuffs to evaluate him? We all are pretty convinced that Darcy was pretty well tied with what he could/couldn't do. I can only guess, but my guess is that they took this into account when they decided to move forward with Darcy. He is an experienced GM. His teams have had a measure of success. He does have a pretty decent trade history. He's been loyal to the team. Let's see what he can do. My first thought back when I first heard the allegation was that Darcy wasn't answering calls because he wasn't free to move players. Why even have the conversation, right? But it may very well have consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 My belief is that if there is a move made, it won't happen until after tuesday. A trade maybe, but what's the point of firing a coach with one game left before a week and a half long break? I thought I heard every excuse for not firing this coach. Obviously there are plenty more than I ever imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Maybe they wanted to give him time without handcuffs to evaluate him? We all are pretty convinced that Darcy was pretty well tied with what he could/couldn't do. I can only guess, but my guess is that they took this into account when they decided to move forward with Darcy. He is an experienced GM. His teams have had a measure of success. He does have a pretty decent trade history. He's been loyal to the team. Let's see what he can do. My first thought back when I first heard the allegation was that Darcy wasn't answering calls because he wasn't free to move players. Why even have the conversation, right? But it may very well have consequences. Fair point. But then why are other GMs "snickering?" They surely would have known his plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Fair point. But then why are other GMs "snickering?" They surely would have known his plight. What "plight"? Seeing what Darcy did with his petty cash drawer when ordered to spend to the hilt, I don't think any of us can speak with certainty anymore about how Quinn "held him back". Maybe Regier simply knew his own limitations and kept himself from making a huge mistake with Golisano's money all those years. Again, this is a guy who could walk into a casino with found money and not place a single bet. He's a rabbit in a game for foxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 What "plight"? Seeing what Darcy did with his petty cash drawer when ordered to spend to the hilt, I don't think any of us can speak with certainty anymore about how Quinn "held him back". Maybe Regier simply knew his own limitations and kept himself from making a huge mistake with Golisano's money all those years. Again, this is a guy who could walk into a casino with found money and not place a single bet. He's a rabbit in a game for foxes. We all know Darcy's history, much of which you are misrepresenting (even though I want him gone). Please don't sidetrack my question to weave. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Fair point. But then why are other GMs "snickering?" They surely would have known his plight. I don't have answers, just speculation. How many times do you try to contact someone in good faith before you decide to write them off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Are they snickering because Darcy shunned them and now he's begging for help? Or is it because of his overvaluing of his own players, and now it's comical at how bad his guys are? Could be both, none of us know. Just another reason I wish Bucky would have elaborated more on context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 We all know Darcy's history, much of which you are misrepresenting (even though I want him gone). Please don't sidetrack my question to weave. Thanks. Bull. Weave's assertion is that we are all pretty much convinced that Darcy was "handcuffed", and I was merely supposing that wasn't really true, using the facts of what he did with Pegula's money once he "got his handcuffs removed", so to speak. I merely speculate. I honestly think we should re-think Darcy's "plight" is all, as I think we have good reason. But of course, I realize some folks are slower than others to re-think their positions on the internet. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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