LabattBlue Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Think about what could have been if the Islanders did not make these trades and instead built around the players they tossed to the curb... 23-JUN-01 OTTAWA SENATORS TRADED ALEXEI YASHIN TO THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS FOR ZDENO CHARA, BILL MUCKALT AND 1ST ROUND SELECTION (JASON SPEZZA) IN 2001. 24-JUN-00 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED OLLI JOKINEN AND ROBERTO LUONGO TO THE FLORIDA PANTHERS FOR MARK PARRISH AND OLEG KVASHA. 06-FEB-98 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED TODD BERTUZZI, BRYAN MCCABE AND 3RD ROUND SELECTION (JARKKO RUUTU) IN 1998 TO THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS FOR TREVOR LINDEN. A core of Luongo, Chara, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Jokinen and Spezza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Haha wow. Those are some insane facts. How they could part with Chara in particular is astounding. While the others may have been difficult to ascertain their true talent potential at a young age, Chara was always a towering physical presence. His body alone would have prevented any sensible GM in parting with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwcolour Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Think about what could have been if the Islanders did not make these trades and instead built around the players they tossed to the curb... 23-JUN-01 OTTAWA SENATORS TRADED ALEXEI YASHIN TO THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS FOR ZDENO CHARA, BILL MUCKALT AND 1ST ROUND SELECTION (JASON SPEZZA) IN 2001. 24-JUN-00 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED OLLI JOKINEN AND ROBERTO LUONGO TO THE FLORIDA PANTHERS FOR MARK PARRISH AND OLEG KVASHA. 06-FEB-98 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED TODD BERTUZZI, BRYAN MCCABE AND 3RD ROUND SELECTION (JARKKO RUUTU) IN 1998 TO THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS FOR TREVOR LINDEN. A core of Luongo, Chara, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Jokinen and Spezza? Doubt they could afford it and while I don't know the circumstances around the trades it usually isn't smart to trade your future for players on the downside of their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweeper Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 They would have been in some cap trouble after the lockout, but they probably would have been a force before it. I didn't realize they actually had those particular players at one point... Well at least Buffalo can throw Tallinder and Hecht at 'em for Tavares and a 1st rounder ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Nation Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Mike Milbury was the biggest joke of a GM. I think looking back in 10 years we will see Glen Sather will fall into that category as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Mike Milbury was the biggest joke of a GM. I think looking back in 10 years we will see Glen Sather will fall into that category as well. And all of those deals were his. But the true reason they're a joke came after all of that. The Wang ownership is killing them. He gave a 10 year contract to Yashin that blew up in his face, so how did he react? By giving the 15 year deal to DiPietro. The guy has no clue what he's doing. People around here whine about stopping Quinn from meddling with the team, and for good reason, but things could be that much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 And all of those deals were his. But the true reason they're a joke came after all of that. The Wang ownership is killing them. He gave a 10 year contract to Yashin that blew up in his face, so how did he react? By giving the 15 year deal to DiPietro. The guy has no clue what he's doing. People around here whine about stopping Quinn from meddling with the team, and for good reason, but things could be that much worse. If people can say that the Red Wings and the Penguins are special situations, so it's unfair to say that we're not good because we're not on their level, then we should probably throw the Islanders out when talking about how "things could be worse." Drop the outliers. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 If people can say that the Red Wings and the Penguins are special situations, so it's unfair to say that we're not good because we're not on their level, then we should probably throw the Islanders out when talking about how "things could be worse." Drop the outliers. ;) Ok, but there has to be some crappy ownership we can point and laugh at. Tampa Bay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Ok, but there has to be some crappy ownership we can point and laugh at. Tampa Bay? I think the example you are looking for resides at One Bills Drive, Orchard Park, NY ... Sigh ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Think about what could have been if the Islanders did not make these trades and instead built around the players they tossed to the curb... 23-JUN-01 OTTAWA SENATORS TRADED ALEXEI YASHIN TO THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS FOR ZDENO CHARA, BILL MUCKALT AND 1ST ROUND SELECTION (JASON SPEZZA) IN 2001. 24-JUN-00 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED OLLI JOKINEN AND ROBERTO LUONGO TO THE FLORIDA PANTHERS FOR MARK PARRISH AND OLEG KVASHA. 06-FEB-98 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED TODD BERTUZZI, BRYAN MCCABE AND 3RD ROUND SELECTION (JARKKO RUUTU) IN 1998 TO THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS FOR TREVOR LINDEN. A core of Luongo, Chara, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Jokinen and Spezza? It's funny because Mike Milbury got rid of all that talent. And then he sits in a broadcasters booth and explains hockey to us all. Now that's funny. He would be the last one I would listen to. How in your right mind would you trade up and coming talent for garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Think about what could have been if the Islanders did not make these trades and instead built around the players they tossed to the curb... 23-JUN-01 OTTAWA SENATORS TRADED ALEXEI YASHIN TO THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS FOR ZDENO CHARA, BILL MUCKALT AND 1ST ROUND SELECTION (JASON SPEZZA) IN 2001. 24-JUN-00 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED OLLI JOKINEN AND ROBERTO LUONGO TO THE FLORIDA PANTHERS FOR MARK PARRISH AND OLEG KVASHA. 06-FEB-98 NEW YORK ISLANDERS TRADED TODD BERTUZZI, BRYAN MCCABE AND 3RD ROUND SELECTION (JARKKO RUUTU) IN 1998 TO THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS FOR TREVOR LINDEN. A core of Luongo, Chara, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Jokinen and Spezza? JP Dumont to Chicago for Dmitri Nabakov Tim Connolly and Taylor Pyatt for Mike Peca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 And all of those deals were his. But the true reason they're a joke came after all of that. The Wang ownership is killing them. He gave a 10 year contract to Yashin that blew up in his face, so how did he react? By giving the 15 year deal to DiPietro. The guy has no clue what he's doing. People around here whine about stopping Quinn from meddling with the team, and for good reason, but things could be that much worse. I hate when that happens. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Ok, but there has to be some crappy ownership we can point and laugh at. Tampa Bay? Exhibit A is right in your town (well, the team is; the owner is in my town). Plenty of money, plenty of opportunity to attract big players to a big-name, original-six franchise, and plenty of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I hate when that happens. :o That's what you say in public... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I hate when that happens. :o Convenient choice of smileys there. SDS, can we replace that smiley with a picture of spndnchz? Exhibit A is right in your town (well, the team is; the owner is in my town). Plenty of money, plenty of opportunity to attract big players to a big-name, original-six franchise, and plenty of failure. There are several ownerships I would point to long before that one. They just like whining whenever anything goes slightly wrong around here. The Jacobs hate is completely overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grelit Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 All of these teams mentioned have won cups. Including Tampa Bay...how many do the Sabres have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 All of these teams mentioned have won cups. Including Tampa Bay...how many do the Sabres have? What does that have to do with the Islanders completely screwing up their franchise over the last decade or so? :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 What does that have to do with the Islanders completely screwing up their franchise over the last decade or so? :blink: Right. The ownership of the Islanders right now is very different from the early 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Dance Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 It's funny because Mike Milbury got rid of all that talent. And then he sits in a broadcasters booth and explains hockey to us all. Now that's funny. He would be the last one I would listen to. How in your right mind would you trade up and coming talent for garbage. My thoughts exactly. He's always very opinionated on HNIC (not always a bad thing), but I find it funny that now he's criticizing other owners and GMs for doing much less silly things than appear in this list. I think you have to take his "insight" with a huge grain of salt (like the size of Gibraltar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grelit Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Right. The ownership of the Islanders right now is very different from the early 80s. Not sure that the Sabres front office is that much better. All I was saying that the Sabres have 0 cups under our management. At least Tampa Bay has a recent cup. Are we that much better off than the bruins, Isles and Lightning with Quinn in charge?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 All of these teams mentioned have won cups. Including Tampa Bay...how many do the Sabres have? And all of the ownerships mentioned have never won a damn thing. But hey, if we want to credit Wang, Koules/Barrie, and Jacobs with the successes of their predecessors, that's fine by me. I guess that would make Trent Edwards an AFC east winning QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grelit Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 And all of the ownerships mentioned have never won a damn thing. But hey, if we want to credit Wang, Koules/Barrie, and Jacobs with the successes of their predecessors, that's fine by me. I guess that would make Trent Edwards an AFC east winning QB. Love the sarcasim....great job!! Again..what have the Sabres won? Is Larry Quinn that much better as the man in charge??? Simple question, not answered yet though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Tim Connolly and Taylor Pyatt for Mike Peca Goes to show that not even the Islanders can get everything wrong. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Goes to show that not even the Islanders can get everything wrong. :thumbsup: Do you think the Isles "won" that trade, clear cut? If Connolly puts up 50+ points this year, I'd consider it a wash and possibly a win for Buffalo. 2001-02 New York Islanders NHL 80 25 35 60 62 5 1 0 1 2 2002-03 New York Islanders NHL 66 13 29 42 43 5 0 0 0 4 2003-04 New York Islanders NHL 76 11 29 40 71 5 0 0 0 6 2001-02 Buffalo Sabres NHL 82 10 35 45 34 -- -- -- -- -- 2002-03 Buffalo Sabres NHL 80 12 13 25 32 -- -- -- -- -- 2005-06 Buffalo Sabres NHL 63 16 39 55 28 8 5 6 11 0 2006-07 Buffalo Sabres NHL 2 1 0 1 2 16 0 9 9 4 2007-08 Buffalo Sabres NHL 48 7 33 40 8 -- -- -- -- -- 2008-09 Buffalo Sabres NHL 48 18 29 47 22 -- -- -- -- -- 2009-10 Buffalo Sabres NHL 3 1 0 1 0 Obviously, injuries have made this debate debateable :unsure: , I don't think the Sabres got taken in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Do you think the Isles "won" that trade, clear cut? If Connolly puts up 50+ points this year, I'd consider it a wash and possibly a win for Buffalo. 2001-02 New York Islanders NHL 80 25 35 60 62 5 1 0 1 2 2002-03 New York Islanders NHL 66 13 29 42 43 5 0 0 0 4 2003-04 New York Islanders NHL 76 11 29 40 71 5 0 0 0 6 2001-02 Buffalo Sabres NHL 82 10 35 45 34 -- -- -- -- -- 2002-03 Buffalo Sabres NHL 80 12 13 25 32 -- -- -- -- -- 2005-06 Buffalo Sabres NHL 63 16 39 55 28 8 5 6 11 0 2006-07 Buffalo Sabres NHL 2 1 0 1 2 16 0 9 9 4 2007-08 Buffalo Sabres NHL 48 7 33 40 8 -- -- -- -- -- 2008-09 Buffalo Sabres NHL 48 18 29 47 22 -- -- -- -- -- 2009-10 Buffalo Sabres NHL 3 1 0 1 0 Obviously, injuries have made this debate debateable :unsure: , I don't think the Sabres got taken in the deal. Peca made the Islanders better while Connolly did nothing for the Sabres. Isn't that how trades are judged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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