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They also had a lot of celebrities calling them out as well. It's tough to make movies if you can't get celebrities to work with you. I'm waiting to see if there's suddenly something else that comes up that gets Kimmel off the air... I like a good conspiracy.

The question is... are you actually willing to sit around until that happens or try to stop it before it happens?

The suspension is. The reinstatement is what I am questioning. Clearly free speech was not what resulted in him being reinstated. So it's not really a win. The win for free speech would be ABC telling the government to stick it.

Your initial post was about Antifa being designated a domestic terrorist group and what's the point. This establishes the purview of the thread. Your later post asked a question "what's the long term goal?" The next post did not quote your post where your question about long term goals was posited. Instead it was commentary on the initial post you made. What is the point of labeling them? It's not like similar groups on the right have been labeled. It is hypocrisy. It was being called out. You assumed it was in reference to your question about long term goal. This would be on you, no one else. And there we have it. Then you proceed to take a nice passive aggressive swing at people, which isn't needed. You are engaging in the same behavior of "whataboutisms" and then talking about things unrelated to YOUR initial post. This thread is immediately derailed and I am locking it.

Is it freedom of speech or is it Disney got really worried about what it stood to lose? Personally if the people who spoke out about Disney didn't, I don't think much would have changed. It's still the all mighty dollar that rules. It's still a good thing he's back on the air. I will be curious how the rest of this story plays out.

Why would you feel that calling out Trump for hypocrisy is not relevant? Should it not be stated that the groups that perform similar actions but in support of a right-wing agenda are not equally culpable for their actions and as such should be labeled similarly? I see no difference other than the color of their flag.

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Lovely little arrogant touch at the end with the small print "you're welcome". MSG has some of the worst coverage of hockey... there's nothing "welcome" about it.

Should we once again bring up the fact that the "low IQ easily brainwashed people" were more abundant in their voting than those you do not put in that group? Once the left controls everything we'll just be getting bent over by a different form of dictator. The belief that the left is somehow the "good guy" indicates just as much brainwashing as the people you are throwing shade at.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are you inferring that hockey players do not have any control over their lives and decisions? What does idolatry have to do with anything? If anything the player is even more drawn to playing hockey because of it, but it remains their choice. It sounds like you are indicating they have choice.

Hmmm. I read that as Adams is saying that Tuch has indicated he wants to be here and not that Adams thinks Tuch wants to be here. And so.. even then, it's all still nothing. Yes, but each day he doesn't sign is one day closer to a trade deadline. So people are going to watch this, just like every fan watches every pending UFA on every team, every year. It's nothing different.

So Adam Mair doesn't own the responsibility for choosing a career path that would see him exposed to higher than normal head contacts and injuries? And, they hired him as Director of Player Development. So it's not like they cut ties. He had a job. Do I blame my employer for hiring me to a position that requires me to sit on my butt for prolonged periods of time thus increasing the chances of health issues related to higher than average sedentary positioning?

That's about the most generic statement one could write. Not even ChatGPT could be that generic.

Tuch is day to day waiting on a contract extension offer... or a trade. 🙂 He has a thing.. he is tired of losing.

I agree. This is a natural byproduct I think of the Internet. Not that I've studied things but it seems logical that throughout history when there is an invention that brings large groups of people together who, until then, had been separated the difference of cultural norms will cause great friction. The Internet opened most of the world to instant communication as it has evolved. It is easier than ever to find people who agree with you or be influenced by others so that you agree with them. The traditional societal norms are not there to inhibit that behavior as it might have done in the past. Tack on perceived anonymity and certainly the safety of distance between those attacking and being attacked and it sets the stage for the behaviors we see today. Because corporations reflect the desire of the people they pick up on it and it snowballs. So, we have sensationalistic marketing, news, etc. That grows into even worse behaviors and here we are. I just hope there is a shift because the escalation is ramping up exponentially.

It is strange because people spend more time looking at what everyone else does wrong versus spending that energy on critically analyzing themselves. It's easier that way I suppose. That said, mistakes have varying degree of significance and that's where the debatable line occurs. In this case it's not like he a registered a .08. He registered a 2.0. That's not accidentally overdoing it, that's blatantly going all out. Sure, I'd love for him to get help, but he should have gotten it before this happened. People around him should have taken a stronger stand if they knew it was going on. But it didn't happen and now he very much has to deal with the situation. He's in charge of player development, players who are routinely going into their legal drinking age. It's not a good sign to have the person overseeing that demonstrating a reckless drinking behavior. It's even worse to do it with his kids in the car. If he's willing to do it with his kids then I am sure a 19 year old player might be less of an obstacle. Overall that's the way it is. We are held accountable for our actions. He'll be held accountable for his. We'll see what happens.

Enough. Take it to PM if you must. You both COULD contribute useful stuff here rather than taking pot shots at each other. I'm tired of it. The continued antagonizing of each other does not need to be carried out in the public forum. Not from continued eyerolls nor the comments about getting the eyerolls. No more warnings.

This would be why it might be helpful to post what your thought on the message in the video was. People aren't going to watch a long video.. or they might if they have some sense of what is in it. Overall, I think wanting harm to anyone is bad. It shouldn't happen. He should be allowed to speak his views and influence those who would listen and believe. But, there is a debatable point I think about when what someone speaks of might influence those who listen to cause harm to others. It's a very slippery slope. Are we to be held responsible for another person's actions because of what we might have said? Should Clark Griswold be held responsible for Cousin Eddy being stupid and kidnapping Clark's boss? (Yes, I use that as a bit tongue in cheek, but I feel the concept is there.) The bottom line to me is that both sides need to stop encouraging people to be so intolerant of those with different views. We should not be talking about violence against a corporate CEO any more than we should be talking about violence against someone for the sexual identification. Sadly we are on the path of escalation. I am hoping there's a shift in direction without there first being a seismic event that triggers it.

Why is it not reasonable? These are the very real consequences people face for their actions. It can happen to anyone and has. We've seen people fired from their jobs when their name makes it into the public and people begin associating them with the company they work for. The company has every right to protect its brand from its employees bad decisions, whether they occur on company time or not. Perhaps he should have recognized this before he made the decision to drink and drive. I'm not following the situation that closely but are we assuming he has an addiction or has it been stated? Just because someone blows a .2 does not mean they are an addict. That said, it doesn't change things. If you are someone who has a close relationship with a person who has an alcohol addiction then I would hope you've taken steps to make sure they aren't driving drunk and absolutely not with their kids in the car. Even then, you can't prevent people from making bad decisions 100% of the time. Bad stuff is going to happen. In this case he's not even fired right? He's on leave. So, are people just making all kinds of assumptions about the situation or did I miss some facts?

As the father and coach at times of a youth hockey player who was routinely 5-6 inches taller than others on the ice (until high school) I can attest that size equates to penalties. It just doesn't matter. Smaller kid runs into my son and falls down. Off to the box. My son puts any amount of contact on a kid around the crease and they fall down? off to the box. It's a very real thing. The optics look bad and so refs call penalties because they already get enough crap from parents and don't want more.

I'll take a player who is relentless. He's not shown that ability and so muscle won't help him succeed. Now, if the muscle gives him the confidence to have success in adding a relentless quality to his game.. great.

At least one plausible explanation would be to gain favor with someone? Not saying her, but someone. It doesn't mean he's doing her a direct favor but it could mean he's doing it for someone who can grant a favor to him who had interest in moving her.

Well that's just it isn't it. So far Tuch hasn't done anything. But if he signs then all it says is he was willing to persist with this team. We won't know if he is aware of what could change or will change. We only know that using whatever criteria he decided was important to him and his family that Buffalo was where he wanted to be. If he doesn't sign, then yes I think it sends a clear message he didn't have faith in the team's chances of success. You are injecting your opinion and rationale into his thought process and it's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what he actually chooses to do. Yep. 100%. Nothing about this makes the Sabres better, it makes them "the same" unless there is an immeasurable morale boost, etc. That said, people could then argue that trading Tuch could have brought back players who could improve the team more than extending Tuch. Probably won't know.. and frankly far too many brain cycles to spend on a team who seems to not spend enough brain cycles on itself.

interested, but with my schedule damn near impossible to commit until shortly before. So the greater likelihood is me just buying a ticket if I can get there. Hate to commit and then not.. 🙂

The flaw in this argument is that he's been in Buffalo during his critical developmental years. He has not played any years in the NHL where he would be beyond his critical developmental years and as such you cannot predict whether it's stunted his growth or not. If he had played the past two years in juniors then he would have been a player who played in juniors with no NHL stats and a question of whether it would translate. Then we'd talk about him being 21-23 and his early growth years in the NHL and still be trying to project his growth and what he would be when he hits 24. The only way to know how this has impacted him won't be known for another few years and even then you won't know what could or could not have happened. He may never have been the player you think he was supposed to be. And the problem with staying in juniors is that if he's too good for that level, then it does not benefit him to play there either. You learn nothing by dominating lower competition. The thing is, I don't think anyone would argue that the AHL was where he would have been best served but because of the system (not the team) he was unable to get there. The system could have failed him, but the Sabres did what they could which was play him in the NHL. And given his ability to stand toe to toe (he won't really ever be eye to eye) with some pretty tough people in the NHL, I don't think it's harmed him at all.