GDT: Flames @ Sabres, 7:30pm Nov. 19, 2025, 🎙 📺 ESPN+/MSG

[SabresBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

He's sulking cause he can't get $11 million a year for 8 years.  

He’s not even worth close to that. He’s maybe 6 million tops

[GASabresIUFAN]

The  real indictment of the entire Adams era is this Sabres team falling apart in the 3rd against the worst team in the NHL   

[Taro T]

25 minutes ago, Indabuff said:

About to be Sabres-Bills-Sabres-Bills.  Time to double up on the Zestril.  

Bills are playing Saturday after going tomorrow night?  Wow, the NFL schedule really is getting nuts.  😉 

[Second Line Center]

58 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Lindy said they didn't respect the Flames.

 

That’s code for terrible effort.  
 

Im sure Calgary didn’t respect us either. 
 

Not enough talent here to take nights off - or give just 75 percent.  They can’t do it unless the goalie stands on his head.  Getting down 2-0 can’t happen in a game like this.  
 

[Taro T]

Why are, of all teams in the NHL, the Calgary Flames reigning supreme in the Sabres barn?  

They usually win IN Calgary, but they look like trash against them in Buffalo.  The exact opposite of their provincial neighbor Eulers.

 

Why, for as good as he played the rest of the game, did Samuelsson take the puck away from Ellis only to give it to the Flame?

Why did the NHL overrule the refs on a call that it took the Calgary coaches more than their entire timeout's time to decide to challenge?  And why is Seth Appert still devising the Sabres power play?  IF there was ANY possibility the Sabres MIGHT score on one, they wouldn't have risked the challenge and possibly having the score tied less than 2 minutes later.  But the Sabres PP is hot trash and doesn't scare anyone.

Why, after looking good together for 5 periods did Byram and Timmons decide to look like the pair that was playing in Detroit before Kesselring broke?  They were horrible in the 3rd.

Why, do we have Quinn, Rosen, and Bryson out on the ice at the same time?  

Why did Tuch look so disinterested out there?

Why did Doan try to pass when in the slot and then get the puck back along the boards near the blue line and decide to shoot from there?

 

Sooooo many questions, so few answers.

 

???????????????????

[SabresBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

 

That’s code for terrible effort.  
 

Im sure Calgary didn’t respect us either. 
 

Not enough talent here to take nights off - or give just 75 percent.  They can’t do it unless the goalie stands on his head.  Getting down 2-0 can’t happen in a game like this.  
 

^This

[Second Line Center]

1 win in regulation in the last 9 games since 15 minutes a night, 2 points on the season, and a minus 5 Jordan Greenway has come back to suck even more offense out of the room. 
 

PLEASE PUT ANYONE THAT CAN SCORE AT ALL IN FOR HIM.  
 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Second Line Center

[SabresBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

1 win in regulation in the last 9 games since 15 minutes a night, 2 points on the season, and a minus 5 Jordan Greenway has come back to suck even more offense out of the room. 
 

PLEASE PUT ANYONE THAT CAN SCORE AT ALL IN FOR HIM.  
 

 

Yeah, haven’t really been a fan of Greenway.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:

Is this as bad as the Colorado Collapse?

Colorado is good.  Da’ Flames are 32nd.  

[Believer]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Pretty much. How do you crap the bed like this after such a solid game?

We came out flat and the Flames came out flying to start the game and to start the final period.

That’s both coaching and lack of player determination. The Flames wanted it more than we did. Confounding until you realize the team quit in the final minutes.

It can only get worse after it sinks in this will be another year of no post season play and it’s not even Thanksgiving.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The  real indictment of the entire Adams era is this Sabres team falling apart in the 3rd against the worst team in the NHL   

They don't battle. They don't seem to care. They accept losing too easily. I hate to say it but it is just like Shorsey. "they don't hate to lose". In all these years they have had a broken culture and they do not fix it. They just think it will fix itself and it doesn't. 

Fine and dandy for guys like Tage to say they took them lightly but where was he? What was his mantra? I did the work with Detroit so it's your turn tonight? Was that it? It has to be every game. Every shift. Every loose puck. It just never is. 

Lazy stupid team. 

Edited 5 hours ago by PerreaultForever

[Believer]

2 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Lindy said they didn't respect the Flames.

Ruff, the Captain and Assistants didn’t respect the Flames, the fans, or themselves.

[PerreaultForever]

Games like this make me want to hire Tortorella to bag skate them into submission, subtract half the roster and create enough chaos to build something new out of. 

I know I know, dinosaur, over the hill, not the guy we want. I don't care. I just want to hire him to punish these guys. They deserve it. 

[SabreFinn]

34 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Games like this make me want to hire Tortorella to bag skate them into submission, subtract half the roster and create enough chaos to build something new out of. 

I know I know, dinosaur, over the hill, not the guy we want. I don't care. I just want to hire him to punish these guys. They deserve it. 

With Kekäläinen as GM it could happen. 

[SabresBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, SabreFinn said:

With Kekäläinen as GM it could happen. 

I’m not sure I want him as the GM or anyone that is currently in this organization. I actually want the whole hockey department fired, from top to bottom. Almost like starting an expansion team. The scouting department isn’t good enough with as many picks as they have had and you don’t really have much to show for it. I mean how many more smallish players is this team gonna draft. We need players with some size that have sand paper in their game. All upper management gone, all the scouting department gone, head coach along with assistant coaches gone, and yes even the strength and conditioning coach gone. This is unacceptable with what has happened to this franchise. They are the laughing stock of the entire league. 

What happens with Tuch? Do you overpay him or do you move him? If he gets moved then how much longer before Dahlin and Thompson want out? Then Byram will want out once his two year deal is up. The cycle will just continue and nobody wants Adams to make any trades because he doesn’t get enough back in return. 

Edited 4 hours ago by SabresBillsFan

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, SabreFinn said:

With Kekäläinen as GM it could happen. 

I suppose so. I just feel the whole thing needs a severe shock to the system. That may make it worse before it's better but this path will lead nowhere different from where it's been. 

Really won't matter who gets hired though if it's still terry's vision, Terry's choices/favorites, Terry's idea of what type of hockey (and type of players) and so forth. new management needs autonomy and I don't think terry will give that. 

[Scottysabres]

Well, now that we’ve gotten the fly by out of the way, shall we commence to dog fighting skills?

I’m off to Disney World, hope this team figures it out, and soon.

[SabreFinn]

33 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I suppose so. I just feel the whole thing needs a severe shock to the system. That may make it worse before it's better but this path will lead nowhere different from where it's been. 

Really won't matter who gets hired though if it's still terry's vision, Terry's choices/favorites, Terry's idea of what type of hockey (and type of players) and so forth. new management needs autonomy and I don't think terry will give that. 

I don’t understand why Terry is so boneheaded. It is simple math, a winning team sell tickets and merchandise, it is also much easier to develop players in a winning system.  Bring in professionals that can create  that and stay out of the way!

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

I’m not sure I want him as the GM or anyone that is currently in this organization. I actually want the whole hockey department fired, from top to bottom. Almost like starting an expansion team. The scouting department isn’t good enough with as many picks as they have had and you don’t really have much to show for it. I mean how many more smallish players is this team gonna draft. We need players with some size that have sand paper in their game. All upper management gone, all the scouting department gone, head coach along with assistant coaches gone, and yes even the strength and conditioning coach gone. This is unacceptable with what has happened to this franchise. They are the laughing stock of the entire league. 

What happens with Tuch? Do you overpay him or do you move him? If he gets moved then how much longer before Dahlin and Thompson want out? Then Byram will want out once his two year deal is up. The cycle will just continue and nobody wants Adams to make any trades because he doesn’t get enough back in return. 

I think why you need to make the full scale changes you say, and why they need to be done now, has a lot to do with a situation like Tuch.

Unless the owner wants him here no matter what, then you want to make your front office changes BEFORE deciding what to do with him.

What if you bring in a new guy, and this guy doesn't want 10% of the cap tied up in an aging winger for the next 7 or 8 years?   Yeah, its one contract, but you sign Tuch long term, and that is one more thing you are saddling the new guy/new front office with.

If you want to get the best new GM/new front office here, its going to be tough. One thing you can offer them is as much freedom with the roster as possible. You DON'T want to have a freshly signed, 30 year old winger to a huge contract as a welcoming gift to that person because the owner, or the 'last guy' wanted him.

Of course every single day that goes by, the Tuch decision gets closer and more difficult. Which is exactly why you need to purge this front office NOW, not wait to the end of the year when a lot of contracts are up so it saves Pegula a bit of money.

And if Dahlin and Thompson want out, they want out.  There are 16 teams that make the playoff every year with the 2 of them.  The idea behind another new rebuild with a new front office is to become one of those 16 that make the playoffs (and eventuall more than that). Its not a requirement to do that. As much as I think both of them can be really good, overall it isn't fun watching this team play, even with them on it.

Edited 1 hour ago by mjd1001

[Demoted]

"We are only __ Points out of a playoff spot" 😂

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, Demoted said:

"We are only __ Points out of a playoff spot" 😂

This team can still make the playoffs. They aren't that far out of it. They are getting (hopefully) some injured players back.  But I'm very close to this being the earliest in the season that I stop watching the game on a regular basis...why?  They aren't likely to make the playoffs, but even if the do, it shouldn't be so hard.  Its not fun watching a team trudge through the mud, shoot themselves in the foot (use whatever analogy you want) so often.

[mjd1001]

Best players on the ice last night for the Sabres with regard to expected goals for vs expected goals against:

-Malenstyn

-Krebs

-Östlund

-Samuelsson

-McLeod

-Dahlin

-Thompson

All those guys were on the positive side of things (more expected goals for than against).  The rest of the team was negative

Who were the worst guys?

-Bryam

-Rosen

-Greenway

-Quinn

-Tuch

All those guys were negative, DEEP into the negative territory (below 35 when 50 is 'neutral')

Quinn and Rosen also 'backed it up' by being a -2 on the night (tied for worst among forwards) and Byram was tied for the worst on the team at -3 (with his most-of-the-night partner Timmons)

[sabresouth]

Power, Bryson as a defensive pair makes no sense.

Who was the idiot that signed Bryson again?

 

[North Buffalo]

Sabres played 1 period... the 2nd... of hard nose decent hockey... once 3rd Calgary goal was scored they realized they had to work harder started millennial sulking and gave up... pathetic... gotta figure a new number 1 line... TT's ego is to fragile...  need a leader to grow a set.

[RETURNTOGLORY]

2 hours ago, SabreFinn said:

I don’t understand why Terry is so boneheaded. It is simple math, a winning team sell tickets and merchandise, it is also much easier to develop players in a winning system.  Bring in professionals that can create  that and stay out of the way!

Because the Bills compensate for all the Sabres failures!