The 5 headed Goalie Monster - What is the solution?

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, Jorcus said:

In the right system at least to the playoffs. Maybe more. So yes. 

UPL similar to Ullmark in that sense. Sad to say I think UPL likely going to get moved this season. Hopefully we get something of value you for him see a NHL caliber player back and maybe a 3rd round draft pick. 

[Weave]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

They’re in this spot because they got better than expected results. Now they need some time for things to sort themselves out. It’s not the situation of the last couple years. 

Over a rather small sample size.

It remains to be seen if the situation is better than the last couple of years.  The past history of these three is either inconsistent or nonexistent.

[Wyldnwoody44]

Adams probably still thinks he can put 2 in net at the same time. Turd 

[PerreaultForever]

The solution is obvious. Fire Adams. 

Adams has shown he doesn't have a clue when it comes to goalies so he's just trying anything hoping something works. Lyon seems to have worked. So now there's a bunch of others. None of whom are sure thing starters long term. So put them on a dart board, close your eyes and keep the first two you hit 🙂

 

Me, I'm keeping Ellis and Lyon and if I can't trade UPL I waive him. Simple. If he clears Georgiev can go back to Russia or wherever he wants. 

Edited 22 hours ago by PerreaultForever

[Flashsabre]

From Friedman’s 32 Thoughts:

” 12. Vegas will have a surprisingly interesting decision to make in goal. Akira Schmid is 4-0, coming off the bench for an injured Adin Hill as the Golden Knights became the first team to beat Carolina. When Hill is healthy and Carter Hart is eligible, will they carry three, make a move, or risk losing Schmid on waivers? He’s been excellent with his job on the line.

13. Similar situation for Buffalo. The Sabres brought back Ukko-Pekko Luukkonen after he stopped 21 of 23 in a 4-2 win Wednesday night for AHL Rochester against Syracuse. He rejoins early-season saviour Alex Lyon and Colten Ellis, who snared his first NHL win Wednesday. Considering the Sabres’ injury issues at this position, I could see them carrying three. They’re worried Ellis will be reclaimed by St. Louis if put on waivers and don’t want to lose him. Buffalo has a back-to-back with Toronto Friday and Saturday. (Toronto fans might be too distracted by some other sporting event to pour over the Peace Bridge.)”

Trading a goalie might be tough with Vegas also in a similar situation. Doesn’t sound like they want to lose Elilis though.

Edited 19 hours ago by Flashsabre

[GASabresIUFAN]

The other part of this is Rochester.  If I were Georgiev, I think I’d bolt to Russia.  He is now the 5th goalie.  Odds of him getting back to the NHL with the Sabres are about zero.  

[Drag0nDan]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The other part of this is Rochester.  If I were Georgiev, I think I’d bolt to Russia.  He is now the 5th goalie.  Odds of him getting back to the NHL with the Sabres are about zero.  

I'd imagine they're probably fine releasing Georgiev.  

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 minute ago, Drag0nDan said:

I'd imagine they're probably fine releasing Georgiev.  

They don't have to release him.  My understanding from an article I read was that he has a KHL out in his contract.

[Drag0nDan]

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

They don't have to release him.  My understanding from an article I read was that he has a KHL out in his contract.

I meant moreso, if he wants out - there's the door.  

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

From Friedman’s 32 Thoughts:

” 12. Vegas will have a surprisingly interesting decision to make in goal. Akira Schmid is 4-0, coming off the bench for an injured Adin Hill as the Golden Knights became the first team to beat Carolina. When Hill is healthy and Carter Hart is eligible, will they carry three, make a move, or risk losing Schmid on waivers? He’s been excellent with his job on the line.

13. Similar situation for Buffalo. The Sabres brought back Ukko-Pekko Luukkonen after he stopped 21 of 23 in a 4-2 win Wednesday night for AHL Rochester against Syracuse. He rejoins early-season saviour Alex Lyon and Colten Ellis, who snared his first NHL win Wednesday. Considering the Sabres’ injury issues at this position, I could see them carrying three. They’re worried Ellis will be reclaimed by St. Louis if put on waivers and don’t want to lose him. Buffalo has a back-to-back with Toronto Friday and Saturday. (Toronto fans might be too distracted by some other sporting event to pour over the Peace Bridge.)”

Trading a goalie might be tough with Vegas also in a similar situation. Doesn’t sound like they want to lose Elilis though.

By the way, interesting note of LV.  

The Sabres are almost certainly going with 3 goalies for a while so that they can see where UPL is at.  I also agree they don't want to lose Ellis.  If UPL plays well, then the ultimate solution is probably to trade the 32 year old Lyon.  Still I don't trust UPL.  

[LTS]

14 hours ago, shrader said:

They’re in this spot because they got better than expected results. Now they need some time for things to sort themselves out. It’s not the situation of the last couple years. 

Regression to the mean...

And Ellis, I'm not sure why people are high on him. He won but he didn't look all that good. He over committed on many plays and left a lot of rebounds.  There is a lot more that needs to be seen.

The issue remains that the Sabres don't have a top goaltender. They also haven't fixed a lot of their defensive problems but it hasn't completely bitten them in the ass yet.

I wouldn't worry about 3 goaltenders on the roster right now. It's not like the players being scratched are all that valuable to the team.

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 minute ago, Drag0nDan said:

I meant moreso, if he wants out - there's the door.  

I agree, but the crazy thing is he is actually the most accomplished goalie in the system.  He has 303 NHL games under his belt including 151 wins.  That's almost double the games and over double the wins of UPL.  Lyon only has 119 NHL games of experience.  

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The other part of this is Rochester.  If I were Georgiev, I think I’d bolt to Russia.  He is now the 5th goalie.  Odds of him getting back to the NHL with the Sabres are about zero.  

Why bolt? Georgiev's contract has no AHL salary. Instead of a PTO, Adams gave him $825k as a waiver-proof NHL salary. Easily traded if he's amazing (but he's not). Instead, he got more than he'd have gotten from any other NHL team and he can cash a solid check as the backup.

[shrader]

18 minutes ago, LTS said:

Regression to the mean...

And Ellis, I'm not sure why people are high on him. He won but he didn't look all that good. He over committed on many plays and left a lot of rebounds.  There is a lot more that needs to be seen.

The issue remains that the Sabres don't have a top goaltender. They also haven't fixed a lot of their defensive problems but it hasn't completely bitten them in the ass yet.

I wouldn't worry about 3 goaltenders on the roster right now. It's not like the players being scratched are all that valuable to the team.

The Ellis reactions around here are very strange. I guess the last 14 years have taught us nothing. That was a great moment, but we need a lot more before it means anything. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

13 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Why bolt? Georgiev's contract has no AHL salary. Instead of a PTO, Adams gave him $825k as a waiver-proof NHL salary. Easily traded if he's amazing (but he's not). Instead, he got more than he'd have gotten from any other NHL team and he can cash a solid check as the backup.

Because he doesn’t want to be an AHL backup.  He wants to be a starter somewhere.  That’s why he has a KHL out in his contract.  Likely better to start in the KHL, play well, and try to earn an NHL job that way.  Backing up Levi in Roch won’t help accomplish that goal, unless Levi gets hurt.

[Drag0nDan]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I agree, but the crazy thing is he is actually the most accomplished goalie in the system.  He has 303 NHL games under his belt including 151 wins.  That's almost double the games and over double the wins of UPL.  Lyon only has 119 NHL games of experience.  

He had so little value this offseason it was stunning - Guy won 40 games in 22-23.  He also Which probably projects to UPL's trade value since Georgiev was one of the only goalies who was statistically worse than him last season.  

[Drag0nDan]

12 minutes ago, shrader said:

The Ellis reactions around here are very strange. I guess the last 14 years have taught us nothing. That was a great moment, but we need a lot more before it means anything. 

This comes to mind: https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202105030BUF.html

[shrader]

1 minute ago, Drag0nDan said:

He had so little value this offseason it was stunning - Guy won 40 games in 22-23.  He also Which probably projects to UPL's trade value since Georgiev was one of the only goalies who was statistically worse than him last season.  

But look at the stats that year, a 3+ GAA and a sub-900 save percentage. He wasn’t good, but road the coattails of MacKinnon and the highest scoring offense in the league. Last year was a train wreck beyond belief. 

[LETSTUCHINGO]

I thought Ellis played very well, stopping two break aways and one being against Larkin. He saw the puck well, aggressively came out when needed, and has been groomed properly by St Louis. Seeing how upset the Blues were to lose him says something as well. Agreed that it is only one game, but the kid looks like he has potential. The Sabres aren't going to send him down, as St. Louis would never let him clear waiver. He deserves more chances to see what we have. Again, Adams moved too quickly and signed UPL for too much. We know what we have in UPL, a NHL backup at best. That is what he has shown and that is what he is. With average goaltending, I believe we would have made the playoffs last year. A 3 headed monster is inevitable and needed to show off UPL. If he does well, hopefully someone comes a calling. Edmonton seems like the most likely place. 

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, LETSTUCHINGO said:

I thought Ellis played very well, stopping two break aways and one being against Larkin. He saw the puck well, aggressively came out when needed, and has been groomed properly by St Louis. Seeing how upset the Blues were to lose him says something as well. Agreed that it is only one game, but the kid looks like he has potential. The Sabres aren't going to send him down, as St. Louis would never let him clear waiver. He deserves more chances to see what we have. Again, Adams moved too quickly and signed UPL for too much. We know what we have in UPL, a NHL backup at best. That is what he has shown and that is what he is. With average goaltending, I believe we would have made the playoffs last year. A 3 headed monster is inevitable and needed to show off UPL. If he does well, hopefully someone comes a calling. Edmonton seems like the most likely place. 

The 13 game losing streak was probably the biggest reason they not only didn't make the playoffs, but were never really in the mix.  Having no one who was capable of stealing a game or two.  

[LETSTUCHINGO]

42 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

The 13 game losing streak was probably the biggest reason they not only didn't make the playoffs, but were never really in the mix.  Having no one who was capable of stealing a game or two.  

Agreed and goaltending was part of the reason.

[DarthEbriate]

55 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Because he doesn’t want to be an AHL backup.  He wants to be a starter somewhere.  That’s why he has a KHL out in his contract.  Likely better to start in the KHL, play well, and try to earn an NHL job that way.  Backing up Levi in Roch won’t help accomplish that goal, unless Levi gets hurt.

But the guaranteed NHL salary says he's fine with the AHL this season. Otherwise, he doesn't sign the contract (he was already behind UPL and Lyon both on multi-year deals). Play well in the A this season, collect the cash, and sniff for a PTO next summer.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, LTS said:

Regression to the mean...

And Ellis, I'm not sure why people are high on him. He won but he didn't look all that good. He over committed on many plays and left a lot of rebounds.  There is a lot more that needs to be seen.

The issue remains that the Sabres don't have a top goaltender. They also haven't fixed a lot of their defensive problems but it hasn't completely bitten them in the ass yet.

I wouldn't worry about 3 goaltenders on the roster right now. It's not like the players being scratched are all that valuable to the team.

His concentration and anticipation of the play were there.  After seeing no action for 10 minutes you could see he was a bit anxious, swatting the puck away too much but he settled down.  

I thought he looked good, he made the big and timely saves,  The obvious thing to be concerned about is his ability to absorb the puck and control rebounds.   This is no different that any other young goalie. 

I wanted him to get another game or two before UPL came back from Rochester.  

 

 

[DarthEbriate]

50 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

This comes to mind: https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202105030BUF.html

Nah. Ellis is a 3rd round pick who was slated to be St. Louis' AHL started/Levi equivalent this season.

Houser is a career ECHLer who made it to Buffalo via goalie attrition when Adams' "750k" plan was in full effect. Outplaying Dell. Anderson, Luukkonen, Subban all injured. Tokarski out with COVID. etc. And yes, Houser has the best numbers with the Sabres of any of them.

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20 hours ago, kas23 said:

Anyone really think UPL is a goalie who will get you to the playoffs or far into them?