GDT: Sabres @ Bruins October, 11 2025 @ 7PM MSG-B, ESPN+, Fubo

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Quinn is a shadow of the Prospect he once was.  So far in two games he us invisible, he never has the puck and stays on the perimeter.   Something is wrong.  

We've talked about Quinn before but one thing I just don't get.. why did he turn into such a perimeter player when he wasn't when he first came up? 

If you look at the stats about where his shots on goal come from, his first year with the team he was going to the front of the net. Now it's not even close. He hardly ever gets to or goes to the front of the net for shots. 

And the difference is vast. I just don't get why his mentality changed where he totally, almost 100%, is unwilling to go to the front of the net where he used to in the past?

There still has to be something there that can be fixed, doesn't there?

Edited 2 hours ago by mjd1001

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

We've talked about Quinn before but one thing I just don't get.. why did he turn into such a perimeter player when he wasn't when he first came up? 

If you look at the stats about where his shots on goal come from, his first year with the team he was going to the front of the net. Now it's not even close. He hardly ever gets to or goes to the front of the net for shots. 

And the difference is vast. I just don't get why his mentality changed where he totally, almost 100%, is unwilling to go to the front of the net where he used to in the past?

There still has to be something there that can be fixed, doesn't there?

He got injured, he got scared, the coaches don't force him to go to the middle. 

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

We've talked about Quinn before but one thing I just don't get.. why did he turn into such a perimeter player when he wasn't when he first came up? 

If you look at the stats about where his shots on goal come from, his first year with the team he was going to the front of the net. Now it's not even close. He hardly ever gets to or goes to the front of the net for shots. 

And the difference is vast. I just don't get why his mentality changed where he totally, almost 100%, is unwilling to go to the front of the net where he used to in the past?

That’s why I say something is wrong.  
 

He was better before.  Is it the injuries?   Does he not connect with new linemates?   There is no confidence and no swagger. 

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

That’s why I say something is wrong.  
 

He was better before.  Is it the injuries?   Does he not connect with new linemates?   There is no confidence and no swagger. 

Whispers, "it's coaching"

A long time ago in college, I was playing soccer and a guy tried to put his knee through my thigh. I got a deep tissue "bruise" and couldn't walk without help for a day or two. A week later I was back at practice doing corner kick drills. After about the 3rd one where I basically avoided contact and tried to hide, not how I ever played soccer, the assistant coach took me by the shirt and screamed " if you're to God damned scared to play the right one, gtf off my soccer team" he then had me run suicides for 10 minutes. I was mad that the next drill "free kicks" I slide tackled the living ***** out our best striker. I got in trouble for that too but I never backed down physically again. 

Quinn doesn't trust his body and he's scared. No coach has forced him to confront that. I'd take a guy like Doan or Benson and make Quinn do puck protection and board drills against them until he was angry enough to get over himself. If he can't, get him off the team. 

Edited 1 hour ago by LGR4GM

[Brawndo]

They are the second youngest team in the league this season 

[Pimlach]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Whispers, "it's coaching"

A long time ago in college, I was playing soccer and a guy tried to put his knee through my thigh. I got a deep tissue "bruise" and couldn't walk without help for a day or two. A week later I was back at practice doing corner kick drills. After about the 3rd one where I basically avoided contact and tried to hide, not how I ever played soccer, the assistant coach took me by the shirt and screamed " if you're to God damned scared to play the right one, gtf off my soccer team" he then had me run suicides for 10 minutes. I was mad that the next drill "free kicks" I slide tackled the living ***** out our best striker. I got in trouble for that too but I never backed down physically again. 

Quinn doesn't trust his body and he's scared. No coach has forced him to confront that. I'd take a guy like Doan or Benson and make Quinn do puck protection and board drills against them until he was angry enough to get over himself. If he can't, get him off the team. 

That would be my kind of coaching.

  Lindy used to have that edge.  

[LGR4GM]

9 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

They are the second youngest team in the league this season 

The shot at analytics from Warrow is stupid. The old man hockey decisions this team make have hurt them far more than analytics. That all said, the Sabres don't draft guys with that dog in them. Owen Power is the perfect example. Zach Benson is the best example, that guy does not care about your *****, he's in it to win it. 

The Sabres under Adams haven't aged a day in terms of age or experience. That's not analytics fault, that's Kevin Adams inability to build anything. He has no ideas and is an unimaginative goober. The drafting of 200 rhd because his brain locked in on needing 1 is proof. 

This team has the least amount of experience in The league by 1,000 games. The solution here is to move Power, add experience and leadership. Greenway isn't that. If Doan and Kesselring had more they could be. But Tuch is Mia suddenly and Zucker is the only forward with a pulse. 

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

That would be my kind of coaching.

  Lindy used to have that edge.  

Lindy is passed his prime. They should have hired a legit coach and not Pegulas nostalgia hire. Granato was the best coach we've had during the drought. Kevyn tossed him under the bus like the loser he is. Kevyn Adams isn't a leader and it reflects on his team. 

[SabresBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

The hired Jarmo too.  Jarmo is a former GM.  

And couldn’t win either

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The shot at analytics from Warrow is stupid. The old man hockey decisions this team make have hurt them far more than analytics. That all said, the Sabres don't draft guys with that dog in them. Owen Power is the perfect example. Zach Benson is the best example, that guy does not care about your *****, he's in it to win it. 

The Sabres under Adams haven't aged a day in terms of age or experience. That's not analytics fault, that's Kevin Adams inability to build anything. He has no ideas and is an unimaginative goober. The drafting of 200 rhd because his brain locked in on needing 1 is proof. 

This team has the least amount of experience in The league by 1,000 games. The solution here is to move Power, add experience and leadership. Greenway isn't that. If Doan and Kesselring had more they could be. But Tuch is Mia suddenly and Zucker is the only forward with a pulse. 

Lindy is passed his prime. They should have hired a legit coach and not Pegulas nostalgia hire. Granato was the best coach we've had during the drought. Kevyn tossed him under the bus like the loser he is. Kevyn Adams isn't a leader and it reflects on his team. 

Hire DeBoer 

[Pimlach]

18 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

They are the second youngest team in the league this season 

What blows my mind about Culture is that McDermott and Beane changed it quickly for the Bills.  No matter how much Adams hangs out with Beane he still doesn’t have it.  

Sure, the Bills hit a grand slam when they drafted Allen, but let’s not forget that they made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB to end the drought, and they did it while starting a tear down and rebuild.  They owned the drought from day 1.  

McBeane shipped out some “good” veteran players that were not leaders.  They retained a few vets that were leaders.  They brought in leaders and did not rely solely on draft picks. They set real goals for players, not just slogans.  

Sabres Culture had been a problem for way too long.  When you are always one of the youngest and least experienced teams you won’t win in the NHL.  

[LGR4GM]

Kevyn Adams has to go. Now. Not tomorrow, but now. 

[Taro T]

27 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

They are the second youngest team in the league this season 

it was an interesting experiment.  It failed spectacularly, but it was interesting.  Now that there are so many schools with sports management programs, wonder if there'll be any case studies done on these past 5 years.  Figure there have to be, right?

Presumably they'll switch gears back to conventional wisdom next year; but they really need to make that happen now.  They should hold the purge right after they get stomped by the Avs.  Maybe if they (ownership) show the good players that they do get it and they will get them support then they won't all want to desperately be gone. 

This roster isn't that far away if they could add 2 or 3 pieces AND get NHL caliber coaching.  Can Adams, let Jarmo or Karmanos decide how to try to make improvements for this season and if they're doing well let them stay on next year; if they aren't, well you have a clean slate to fix the FO and coaching.

[PASabreFan]

Wawrow nailed it. The culture change happens with a new owner or TP completely changing his stripes. I don't see either happening. Fire Adams? Sure. Next up are guys who wouldn't get a sniff anywhere else. They'll owe Terry. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[kas23]

10 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

The team reflects the owner and the GM who orchestrated the tank and EEE and lack of action. Simple as that. This is their manifestation on ice. 

Couldn’t agree any more. It doesn’t matter the industry, we’ve all worked for upper management that were clueless or don’t act like they care. It can be incredibly demotivating. 

[mjd1001]

38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Kevyn Adams has to go. Now. Not tomorrow, but now. 

Fine, but then there's the worry that I always come up with. 

Who replaces him? 

If it's somebody that's currently in the room... There's a chance that person has been part of the decision making. That's led the roster to be where it is... And you may not get that much of a change. 

I also wouldn't want them to find a currently out of work GM who has passed his prime. 

Pegula needs to have the mentality like he had when he bought this team... Money is no object. Find the best guy that is available or even might be available and get word to him that you will at least double the last salary he had. 

We're to the point now where you're paying close to or over $10 million for certain players. If you're going to get a new general manager... Pay what you have to to get the best... Even if that means giving up some of your control and decision making to that guy in addition to the money. 

I don't have confidence. The current saber ownership... Still.. is willing to do that with a new GM hire.

So two games into the season. I'm almost at the point of rooting for this to go off the rails. Really really bad. Why? I don't just want a general manager changed and have him replaced with someone similar. 

I'd want the majority of the front office changed, for Terry pegula to actually have a press conference where he says there will be more major changes on the roster side of things also, And for those changes to not be after a period of a long evaluation. 

This whole thing started with the tank.. it started with blowing things up and that was a mistake almost 15 years ago? I feel like at this point the only way to correct that mistake is to do it again and wipe all of what is this franchise away.

You know why I might not be happy if they announce Kevin Adams is fired tomorrow? It has nothing to do with me thinking he's doing a good job. It has to do with the fact that a move like that now will likely mean someone else will slide into the spot and not much overall will change. There needs to be massive changes..

Edited 36 minutes ago by mjd1001

[Brawndo]

 

[SabresBillsFan]

52 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Kevyn Adams has to go. Now. Not tomorrow, but now. 

This team might not win a game all of October 

[SabresBillsFan]

38 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Wawrow nailed it. The culture change happens with a new owner or TP completely changing his stripes. I don't see either happening. Fire Adams? Sure. Next up are guys who wouldn't get a sniff anywhere else. They'll owe Terry. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Jarmo isn’t the answer, he couldn’t do it with Columbus

[SabresBillsFan]

Peterka should have been signed, If I’m Tuch I play out my time and hit free agency 

[LGR4GM]

42 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Fine, but then there's the worry that I always come up with. 

Who replaces him? 

If it's somebody that's currently in the room... There's a chance that person has been part of the decision making. That's led the roster to be where it is... And you may not get that much of a change. 

I also wouldn't want them to find a currently out of work GM who has passed his prime. 

Pegula needs to have the mentality like he had when he bought this team... Money is no object. Find the best guy that is available or even might be available and get word to him that you will at least double the last salary he had. 

We're to the point now where you're paying close to or over $10 million for certain players. If you're going to get a new general manager... Pay what you have to to get the best... Even if that means giving up some of your control and decision making to that guy in addition to the money. 

I don't have confidence. The current saber ownership... Still.. is willing to do that with a new GM hire.

So two games into the season. I'm almost at the point of rooting for this to go off the rails. Really really bad. Why? I don't just want a general manager changed and have him replaced with someone similar. 

I'd want the majority of the front office changed, for Terry pegula to actually have a press conference where he says there will be more major changes on the roster side of things also, And for those changes to not be after a period of a long evaluation. 

This whole thing started with the tank.. it started with blowing things up and that was a mistake almost 15 years ago? I feel like at this point the only way to correct that mistake is to do it again and wipe all of what is this franchise away.

You know why I might not be happy if they announce Kevin Adams is fired tomorrow? It has nothing to do with me thinking he's doing a good job. It has to do with the fact that a move like that now will likely mean someone else will slide into the spot and not much overall will change. There needs to be massive changes..

Anyone and I mean anyone else is better. Anyone. 

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

They are the second youngest team in the league this season 

“The solution is in this room”

Fire KA

[That Aud Smell]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

That's not analytics fault, that's Kevin Adams inability to build anything. He has no ideas and is an unimaginative goober.

 

This is why I’m still hoping Adams is fired and the franchise starts over.

49 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Wawrow nailed it. The culture change happens with a new owner or TP completely changing his stripes. I don't see either happening. Fire Adams? Sure. Next up are guys who wouldn't get a sniff anywhere else. They'll owe Terry. Wash, rinse, repeat.

And this is why I don’t hold out much hope for the success of whoever succeeds Adams.

[Mango]

For all th back and forth about Terry v Adams and meddling v absent, it's clear Terry groomed Adams for this role. They are in absolute lock step. Theres no side to pick. It's a circle. 

The team is built in Terry's vision and Adams absolutely shares Terry's vision. There is some nuance to it. Terry meddles with GMs who don't share his vision and is "absent" with GM's who do.

I don't think Kevyn is a "Yes Man". A yes man implies they just do whatever the boss says. Kevyn 100% believes he's doing a good job, 100% believes he doesn't need more cash, 100% believes all the people are in the building.

So does Terry.

I suspect that any changes will result in Appert as HC and Forton as GM.

@Thorny and @mjd1001 are arguing different sides of the same coin.

There needs to be change at GM. It's our only chance. But the odds of Terry making a good hire and staying out of the way are remarkably low.

Edited 7 minutes ago by Mango

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Anyone and I mean anyone else is better. Anyone. 

I get it, I do.  Its just, what if we get someone 'slightly' better, but that causes nothing else to really get changed with the team, the front office, the roster except 'around the edges'?

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

I get it, I do.  Its just, what if we get someone 'slightly' better, but that causes nothing else to really get changed with the team, the front office, the roster except 'around the edges'?

Then we're right where we are now anyways

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Then we're right where we are now anyways

I just want a lot better.

I'm repeating what I said earlier, but rather than that, I'd almost want Adams and the current front office to stay around a bit longer and things get REALLY bad so it puts more pressure on more drastic moves.

I really see no reason to make just one move and have the team be 'a little' better and have that translate to a mid-80s point season and another year of mediocrity.