Tuch extension coming soon?

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Palm Trees And Taxes said:

8.5, 9, 9.5 or 10: We wont spend to the cap and the GM will whine about taxes and palm trees anyway. so the number for me is what it is

Can you explain this for me?

[Thorny]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

Can you explain this for me?

“Pay him whatever he wants cause we will have space” 

[Thorny]

The one other thing I’ll add about Tuch is if the team actually improved around him it would probably offset a lot of his likely age related downturn over the first few years of the deal as perceptively it would stave off the inevitable age related erosion through more team-wide support. PP inflation, etc. Signing him is a no brainer 

if the team is good it’ll be a good deal and if they are bad there’s no hope anyways 

What was Adams gonna do, wheel and deal for a better player? LMAO 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

Easiest contract negotiation ever: blank check. He’s not going to take so much as to actively harm the team he loves. At most he’ll take market rate

this deal will soon be added to the shortlist of Adams best moves as gm

So called because it’s literally a short list 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[tom webster]

16 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What part of my statement would he disagree with? 🙂

I’m pretty sure you understand that your opinions aren’t universally accepted.

[Taro T]

22 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Players have a myriad of potential motivations - in addition humans are resistant to change. He also loves buffalo so would obviously be biased. He’ll sign and I don’t think we need to read much more into it than the price was right and he bleeds blue 

Maybe he’s confident in the direction after trending down for the last 2 seasons..maybe he’s not. It doesn’t mean anything one way or the other to a certainty 

he was spouting off in the post game last year that “a year ago we’d have folded!” when the results were the exact same or worse. The idea he has a better grasp on the outlook of the team or is more likely to be right or more likely to remove his own bias OR that he’d even be an open book about his true thoughts doesn’t jive to me 

He’s not a canary in the coal mine - look at NMCs and free agency for that. Tuch is a Sabre through and through 

IF he doesn't extend with the Sabres, yes, he is a canary in the coal mine.  If he re-signs, no, it isn't a canary in the coal mine move, but it could (might?) go a long way towards keeping the other 2 LT long time vets on board with what comes next.

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

IF he doesn't extend with the Sabres, yes, he is a canary in the coal mine.  If he re-signs, no, it isn't a canary in the coal mine move, but it could (might?) go a long way towards keeping the other 2 LT long time vets on board with what comes next.

That’s more accurate than the way I phrased it 

[LGR4GM]

The canary died and the mine is on fire 🔥.  

[LTS]

34 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I'm not talking about every player.  I am talking about a soon to be 30 year old on a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in forever, has a clueless GM and a buffoon of an owner.  If you were Tuch knowing the above, what would you do?

Well that's just it isn't it.  So far Tuch hasn't done anything. But if he signs then all it says is he was willing to persist with this team. We won't know if he is aware of what could change or will change. We only know that using whatever criteria he decided was important to him and his family that Buffalo was where he wanted to be.

If he doesn't sign, then yes I think it sends a clear message he didn't have faith in the team's chances of success.

You are injecting your opinion and rationale into his thought process and it's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what he actually chooses to do.

5 minutes ago, Taro T said:

IF he doesn't extend with the Sabres, yes, he is a canary in the coal mine.  If he re-signs, no, it isn't a canary in the coal mine move, but it could (might?) go a long way towards keeping the other 2 LT long time vets on board with what comes next.

Yep. 100%.

Nothing about this makes the Sabres better, it makes them "the same" unless there is an immeasurable morale boost, etc.  That said, people could then argue that trading Tuch could have brought back players who could improve the team more than extending Tuch.

Probably won't know.. and frankly far too many brain cycles to spend on a team who seems to not spend enough brain cycles on itself.

[DarthEbriate]

The cap next season is going up an additional $9M to $104M. No player who has access to that UFA class should sign an extension this summer/season. McDavid and Eichel should reset the league next summer. Tuch, whose production has been severely undercompensated in his four years with the Sabres, should wait to take offers from all teams. Some teams next summer are going to have solid, nearly-full, playoff capable rosters and still have $25M to throw at 5-6 players, half of whom might be ELC/minimum 4th liners/6-7 D. And if he believes in the Sabres after this season's outcome, then the Sabres could be one of them. You're throwing away a fortune here. Don't be a fool.

[JohnC]

26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I think what irks you more is Tuch extending now flies in the face of the narrative that's been built all offseason that Tuch was as good as gone. Now we hear he may be signing before the season begins. Clutch your pearls

Your response makes no sense to me. I am assuming that he will sign. And that will be a good thing. Signing an extension with one of your own players is what is normally done. You seem to portray it as if it is an exceptional act. It’s not. It’s how most franchises conduct business. And maybe you are not aware of it but not making the playoffs for a generation is not an example of a  normally functioning franchise. That’s why I expected a little more action by the GM this offseason.

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said:

The cap next season is going up an additional $9M to $104M. No player who has access to that UFA class should sign an extension this summer/season. McDavid and Eichel should reset the league next summer. Tuch, whose production has been severely undercompensated in his four years with the Sabres, should wait to take offers from all teams. Some teams next summer are going to have solid, nearly-full, playoff capable rosters and still have $25M to throw at 5-6 players, half of whom might be ELC/minimum 4th liners/6-7 D. And if he believes in the Sabres after this season's outcome, then the Sabres could be one of them. You're throwing away a fortune here. Don't be a fool.

Eh, signing now might be the better play.  We don't know exactly when all of the terms of the next CBA kick in, but we know there is a high likelihood some/many of them will kick in THIS season rather than 1 year from now.  IF the 6/7 year maxes are introduced before or at the beginning of the next jeague year in July, his signing a deal taking him to 37 could work out much better for him than signing a deal at a higher annual rate that only goes through age 35.

Big men don't tend to have the seriously long careers unless their freaks of nature like Chara.  If he were younger when his current deal ends, you could very well be onto something.  But he and Adams/Pegula can factor those projected cap increases into what he signs for and they can know they're effectively prorating his salary from the 5 years he'll still be useful into an 8 year deal and any buyout or retirement adjustments at the end likely won't be crippling to the team for a myriad of reasons (some good and some not so good 😉 ). 

[DarthEbriate]

8 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Eh, signing now might be the better play.  We don't know exactly when all of the terms of the next CBA kick in, but we know there is a high likelihood some/many of them will kick in THIS season rather than 1 year from now.  IF the 6/7 year maxes are introduced before or at the beginning of the next jeague year in July, his signing a deal taking him to 37 could work out much better for him than signing a deal at a higher annual rate that only goes through age 35.

Big men don't tend to have the seriously long careers unless their freaks of nature like Chara.  If he were younger when his current deal ends, you could very well be onto something.  But he and Adams/Pegula can factor those projected cap increases into what he signs for and they can know they're effectively prorating his salary from the 5 years he'll still be useful into an 8 year deal and any buyout or retirement adjustments at the end likely won't be crippling to the team for a myriad of reasons (some good and some not so good 😉 ). 

It absolutely might be. Waiting is riskier. But it only takes one "all-in" (foolish) owner who watches the NBA/NFL. The early era Pegula.

For example, the Avs could easily have a top-line opening if Necas goes to UFA, and they really only need to set aside cash for a Makar extension in the long-term. Would you rather have guaranteed cash and have Norris/Kulich as your center for 7 years or angle for 3x$10M to play with McKinnon/Nelson and hunt some Cups before the CBA expires and there's the next lockout in 2030?

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

It absolutely might be. Waiting is riskier. But it only takes one "all-in" (foolish) owner who watches the NBA/NFL. The early era Pegula.

For example, the Avs could easily have a top-line opening if Necas goes to UFA, and they really only need to set aside cash for a Makar extension in the long-term. Would you rather have guaranteed cash and have Norris/Kulich as your center for 7 years or angle for 3x$10M to play with McKinnon/Nelson and hunt some Cups before the CBA expires and there's the next lockout in 2030?

Did he grow up next door to Joe Sakic?  How much more money does he need to be set and have his children set for life?

Know the answer to the 1st one.  And though don't know the answer to the 2nd one, expect that whatever it is it's less than he'll end up getting in a 7-8 year deal with the Sabres.  😉 

 

And would be quite surprised that without some major unforseen shock to the professional hockey system there would be a lockout in 2030.

[DarthEbriate]

6 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Did he grow up next door to Joe Sakic?  How much more money does he need to be set and have his children set for life?

Know the answer to the 1st one.  And though don't know the answer to the 2nd one, expect that whatever it is it's less than he'll end up getting in a 7-8 year deal with the Sabres.  😉 

 

And would be quite surprised that without some major unforseen shock to the professional hockey system there would be a lockout in 2030.

With proper financial planning (which all have access to and are directed to these days), his great grandkids are already set for life.

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, tom webster said:

I’m pretty sure you understand that your opinions aren’t universally accepted.

Understand….that is why they are MY opinions.   Do you disagreewith what I said upthread?

Edited 14 minutes ago by LabattBlue