Sabres announce qualifying offers

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, gilbert11 said:

And a growing reputation of being cheap?

So far in this offseason the Sabres have cut payroll. We shall soon see if that cut payroll is  applied to adding talent. If not, the Pegula business model will continue to strangle this fading franchise. What does this owner have to say? Nothing. 

[Brawndo]

The Sabres have a really good analytics department, they should try listening to them 

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The Sabres have a really good analytics department, they should try listening to them 

Just more evidence Adams is awful.

[sabresouth]

8 hours ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

Why is Bryson still in this organization?

ka is an idiot 

[DHawerchuk10]

Is Adams trying to tank?  These decisions and trades are just horrible.  I fully expect Byram to go for yet another fringe 4th liner/AHL player.  Perhaps Dahlin can be traded for Bob Corkum and a 6th rounder.  Corkum can really round out that bottom 6!

[Jorcus]

9 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Unless Levi erupts.

Of course, he could as easily get an offer sheet this week that crosses the Sabres' EEE internal threshold for combined goalie salaries for the team. Someone offers Levi a little bit of cash and Adams can recoup a 2nd rounder to trade for a 7th D-man at the deadline.

I don't think Levi is eligible for an offer sheet. Some qualifier about number of NHL games played.

[DarthEbriate]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

The Sabres have a really good analytics department, they should try listening to them 

They've gotta get bigger -- as of this offseason. But that wasn't the mandate when Bryson was extended in-season. Adams can only focus on one thing at a time.

4th line. RHD.

2 hours ago, Jorcus said:

I don't think Levi is eligible for an offer sheet. Some qualifier about number of NHL games played.

True, not this year.

But life the Sabres finds a way.

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

They've gotta get bigger -- as of this offseason. But that wasn't the mandate when Bryson was extended in-season. Adams can only focus on one thing at a time.

4th line. RHD.

Bryson is a dude that Kevyn likes. If he likes you, he signs you. Gotta have the guys he likes talking to around the water cooler.

[Rasmus_]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Just more evidence Adams is awful.

The might have felt the QA offer was high and are lowballing the agent.

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Bryson is a dude that Kevyn likes. If he likes you, he signs you. Gotta have the guys he likes talking to around the water cooler.

And are fine sitting in the press box. That's a critical skill.

I still think he gets waived at the end of preseason. Every team has that guy. It was just the silly optics of it -- he's not someone you build around. You re-sign him on July 2nd and say "we got a great guy in the locker room to be our 7/8" and then you send him to Rochester.

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

The might have felt the QA offer was high and are lowballing the agent.

I believe the QA was like 875 and the league minimum is 800... if he's really fighting for 75k at this point, Terry really did impose a hard cap. 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

I believe the QA was like 875 and the league minimum is 800... if he's really fighting for 75k at this point, Terry really did impose a hard cap. 

It wasn't even $875k.  It was $866k.

But it might've been required to be a 1 way offer.  (Not sure how many games he missed on IR and how many he missed simply because he was in the press box.)  Still seems petty especially because he actually played really well when paired with Power via the eye test.

[ponokasabre]

My only thought on this is JBD said he wanted to go somewhere where he can play regularly 

and KA told him he would be the 7th dman here 

also I do know he said Bryson is fine sitting, and is a good soldier about it, so he probably knows he is the 8th dman and it’s fine with that and won’t make a fuss

im guessing we sign a guy like Perbix or Brendan Smith to take the JBD role, I’m assuming that is already “figured out”

[dudacek]

It’s almost like they only took on JBD in the trade for contract reasons, meaning Ottawa wanted them to take him to complete the deal.

There’s no way you want a guy, ***** up his immigration papers, play him - successfully - 14 minutes a game for 15 games, then decide you aren’t going to qualify him at league-minimum money.

Turning Clifton, Gilbert and essentially 2 seconds into Conor Timmins is one of the most inexplicable pieces of GMing I’ve seen in forever, and I’m a Sabres fan.

You can get a Conor Timmins for a 5th-round pick. PIttsburgh did exactly that just 3 months ago.

Clifton’s bad and on a bad contract, but it wasn’t anything you couldn’t eat. There was no cap pressure to do anything.

There’s a difference between “I don’t like the trade” and something like this that defies logic.

Something else has to drop.

It feels like they randomly lit a match and burned 2 2nd-rounders.

Edited 7 hours ago by dudacek

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

My only thought on this is JBD said he wanted to go somewhere where he can play regularly 

and KA told him he would be the 7th dman here 

also I do know he said Bryson is fine sitting, and is a good soldier about it, so he probably knows he is the 8th dman and it’s fine with that and won’t make a fuss

im guessing we sign a guy like Perbix or Brendan Smith to take the JBD role, I’m assuming that is already “figured out”

I doubt this. 

That said:

Power, 6'6"

Kesselring, 6'5"

Samuelsson, 6'4"

Dahlin, 6'3"

Timmins, 6'2"

That's the defense right now with JBD not signed and Byram a big ???

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

I do know he said Bryson is fine sitting, and is a good soldier about it, so he probably knows he is the 8th dman and it’s fine with that and won’t make a fuss

F Bryson and F Adams.  I don’t want a guy on my team who is “fine” sitting on the sidelines….not to mention this undersized wuss is one injury from being a regular.  
 

Just because he “wants to be here”, doesn’t mean he should be.  
 

Adams should always be looking to improve the 23 man roster and bringing back Bryson year after year is the opposite of that. 

[inkman]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I doubt this. 

That said:

Power, 6'6"

Kesselring, 6'5"

Samuelsson, 6'4"

Dahlin, 6'3"

Timmins, 6'2"

That's the defense right now with JBD not signed and Byram a big ???

Yeah I’ve been thinking about this.  Is JBD too small for Kevyn's narrow minded view on hockey players.  He’s shifted from all offense to all giants.  I mean whatever.  My biggest problem is that most of the D aren’t overly physical.  Did he forget that part of the equation? 

[WhenWillItEnd66]

3 minutes ago, inkman said:

Yeah I’ve been thinking about this.  Is JBD too small for Kevyn's narrow minded view on hockey players.  He’s shifted from all offense to all giants.  I mean whatever.  My biggest problem is that most of the D aren’t overly physical.  Did he forget that part of the equation? 

I hope not! He played well for us last season! He is definitely a solid and serviceable 4-6 dman we just wasted assets to get last year!! 

[shrader]

16 minutes ago, dudacek said:

It’s almost like they only took on JBD in the trade for contract reasons, meaning Ottawa wanted them to take him to complete the deal.

 

I doubt that was an issue at all. Ottawa actually took on slightly more money from Gilbert’s contract. That deal goes through just fine in both sides if the defensemen are removed. There had to at least have been some interest from one side or the other on one of those guys. 

[inkman]

7 minutes ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

I hope not! He played well for us last season! He is definitely a solid and serviceable 4-6 dman we just wasted assets to get last year!! 

Paul Hamilton just confirmed the 2nd round pick wasn’t traded exclusively for JBD.  Dennis Gilbert was the piece included for JBD.  Take it for what it’s worth.  

[MISabresFan]

17 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

Why keep Bryson whyyyy

Because it is easier than trying to do something you suck at, making a trade.

[dudacek]

7 minutes ago, shrader said:

I doubt that was an issue at all. Ottawa actually took on slightly more money from Gilbert’s contract. That deal goes through just fine in both sides if the defensemen are removed. There had to at least have been some interest from one side or the other on one of those guys. 

Possible scenario:

Sabres: OK, I’m going to offer you Cozens, Gilbert and a 2nd.

Ottawa: value seems fair, but we’re looking at other moves and need to save space under the 50 contract limit (or the 23-man roster, or the cap, etc.)

Sabres: well we could use another D to play out the season, but it has to be an expiring contract.

Ottawa: what about Docker, he’s the odd man out now with Gilbert coming in.

Sabres: minimum wage guy, right? Sure, let’s do it.

Edited 7 hours ago by dudacek

[Archie Lee]

26 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I doubt this. 

That said:

Power, 6'6"

Kesselring, 6'5"

Samuelsson, 6'4"

Dahlin, 6'3"

Timmins, 6'2"

That's the defense right now with JBD not signed and Byram a big ???

I think this is it. Adding size on D is this year’s version of last year’s 4th line upgrades. 

[DarthEbriate]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Possible scenario:

Sabres: OK, I’m going to offer you Cozens, Gilbert and a 2nd.

Ottawa: value seems fair, but we’re looking at other moves and need to save space under the 50 contract limit (or the 23-man roster, or the cap, etc.)

Sabres: well we could use another D to play out the season, but it has to be an expiring contract.

Ottawa: what about Docker, he’s the old man out now with Gilbert.

Sabres: minimum wage guy, right? Sure, let’s do it.

Fine for Ottawa to be roster balancing. But --- who initiates the trade.

The Sabres are looking to trade Cozens. Fine. But that's not required to be at the trade deadline. They're not going anywhere; he doesn't have a NTC/NMC kick in for 2 more years. Ruff could've just moved him to 3rd line wing, but he also wasn't showcasing Cozens between Benson & Thompson for a trade.

On the other hand, Ottawa wants to move Norris. They need a more physical player for the playoffs. The NEED someone who will be healthy and available going into the playoffs (Norris already has his ---oblique?--- strain).

Norris is a better overall player than Cozens right now, but is he a 3-for-1 trade better than Cozens if Cozens reaches his potential, or is at least moved from center to wing? Adams wasn't operating from a place of need in that trade; Ottawa was. Why was Adams the one feeding in the 2nd?

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Fine for Ottawa to be roster balancing. But --- who initiates the trade.

The Sabres are looking to trade Cozens. Fine. But that's not required to be at the trade deadline. They're not going anywhere; he doesn't have a NTC/NMC kick in for 2 more years. Ruff could've just moved him to 3rd line wing, but he also wasn't showcasing Cozens between Benson & Thompson for a trade.

On the other hand, Ottawa wants to move Norris. They need a more physical player for the playoffs. The NEED someone who will be healthy and available going into the playoffs (Norris already has his ---oblique?--- strain).

Norris is a better overall player than Cozens right now, but is he a 3-for-1 trade better than Cozens if Cozens reaches his potential, or is at least moved from center to wing? Adams wasn't operating from a place of need in that trade; Ottawa was. Why was Adams the one feeding in the 2nd?

Incompetence.