The offseason so far - Are the Sabres better?

[thewookie1]

Better, by a small margin yes.

I read somewhere our project points went from 83.0 to 83.2 for the season. Which is somewhat surprising based on the loss of Peterka but I guess the better defensive metrics we have now help us immensely.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

You shouldn’t post lies.

Best goals for % by NHL pairings, minimum 500 minutes:

• 1 Dahlin Byram 70%
• 2 McDonagh Cernak 63.8%
• 3 McCabe Tanev 63.3%
• 4 Samberg Pionk 63.2%
• 5 Toews Makar 61.4%

How can any defence pairing that helped outscore the opposition 35 to 15 at even strength on the Buffalo Sabres be called “wasn’t that good” by anyone with a straight face?

Its like saying Tage Thompson is not a very good goal scorer, or Josh Norris never gets hurt.

Why are you evaluating defensemen by their offensive stats? 

[Archie Lee]

18 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Why are you evaluating defensemen by their offensive stats? 

Isn't this a combination of the two? Even strength they were on the ice together for 35 goals for (offense) and 15 goals against (defense).  70% of the goals scored when Dahlin and Byram were on the ice together at even strength, were Sabre goals.  That's really, really good. 

Also, why are you not including offensive stats in your evaluation of D-men?

Edited 6 hours ago by Archie Lee

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Why are you evaluating defensemen by their offensive stats? 

@Archie Lee’s got it.

Im evaluating them by goals for and against, you know the one stat that really matters in hockey?

Why aren’t you?

[7+6=13]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well every team is better after the draft because everybody adds prospects and bad teams add higher rated ones. Mrtka is 3-5 years away from making the Sabres any better on ice. The opening night roster as is, is not good enough to make the playoffs. 

The analogy that you missed is we're better with Byram today because he's on our team.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

Isn't this a combination of the two? Even strength they were on the ice together for 35 goals for (offense) and 15 goals against (defense).  70% of the goals scored when Dahlin and Byram were on the ice together at even strength, were Sabre goals.  That's really, really good. 

Also, why are you not including offensive stats in your evaluation of D-men?

I'd never question Dahlin, or even Byram's offensive ability. Power has good offensive ability as well. I, however, want to keep the puck out of our own net. 

This is the time of year (every year) where the optimists try to convince me that the Sabres have lots of talent and players are really good and the stats say this or that and yet, they miss the playoffs the following season. Go figure. 

Our defense was not good. Still isn't good enough. and we are not a playoff team. 

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

@Archie Lee’s got it.

Im evaluating them by goals for and against, you know the one stat that really matters in hockey?

Why aren’t you?

When it comes to defensemen I am only interested in how they help keep the puck out of our net. The stats are very misleading. 

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

The analogy that you missed is we're better with Byram today because he's on our team.

But we still have Samuelsson.