Sabres turned down Rossi for Peterka swap

[North Buffalo]

13 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Adams hates Rossi simple as that. 

I would not have traded Peterka for Rossi however unless they added. I think I liked Peterka more than average here and I am pretty pissed we moved him for what we did but Rossi instead of him doesn't really fit with where this roster needs to go, especially if you are convinced Norris will play and be a solid 1C.

Here's my question though. How much better than Will Borgen is Kesselring? Because to me Kesselring is 50% Borgen 50% Jokiharju so he's more well rounded than either of them but we're basically not making progress. 

Tough kid, bigger... tougher and maybe not quite the skater as Joker but better passer imo.

[Night Train]

3 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

This is the year for Quinner! Right?

Is that the trainer speaking ?

  Don't know if there is any market for All-Whirlpool.  Plays little, flashes, then vanishes.  

[The Jokeman]

44 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Adams hates Rossi simple as that. 

I would not have traded Peterka for Rossi however unless they added. I think I liked Peterka more than average here and I am pretty pissed we moved him for what we did but Rossi instead of him doesn't really fit with where this roster needs to go, especially if you are convinced Norris will play and be a solid 1C.

Here's my question though. How much better than Will Borgen is Kesselring? Because to me Kesselring is 50% Borgen 50% Jokiharju so he's more well rounded than either of them but we're basically not making progress. 

I liked JJP for awhile. While hate seeing him go I also mentioned this off-season Kesselring as a target to add. So have mixed feelings but there's still lots of off-season to go to see how much more we add or lose.

[PerreaultForever]

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I liked JJP for awhile. While hate seeing him go I also mentioned this off-season Kesselring as a target to add. So have mixed feelings but there's still lots of off-season to go to see how much more we add or lose.

I really don't know why people think Kesselring is all that special. He has some potential but he really isn't proven top 4.   I have no problem adding him, but Peterka is at a higher value level. I suspect Adams was truly worried about an offer sheet and they didn't want to pay him at a higher level after Cozens and Samuelsson. Peterka isn't Reinhart, but there are similarities here in terms of how the organization disfunctions. 

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

I really don't know why people think Kesselring is all that special. He has some potential but he really isn't proven top 4.   I have no problem adding him, but Peterka is at a higher value level. I suspect Adams was truly worried about an offer sheet and they didn't want to pay him at a higher level after Cozens and Samuelsson. Peterka isn't Reinhart, but there are similarities here in terms of how the organization disfunctions. 

Adams (Pegula, since... COVID? Since EEE for sure, because at least previously he was swinging for the Leino fences) operates out of fear.

The easy read is Kesserling was a target, and the Mammoth were prepared to offer the 7.7M as an offer sheet for Peterka. That's a 2026 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for a player who wants out (which Adams has to honor because that's his M.O. and also avoid the contractual obligation) and all futures, which is against their "win now, but cheap" mentality. Instead, Adams got a player he coveted who can immediately step into the lineup and another roster player. And they're both RFAs this summer and next so they are cheap and fit into the EEE mold. RFA Doan is this summer's RFA Malenstyn -- though with higher upside.

If the team struggles, Kesselring gets shopped for the next 1-year-to-RFA rental. The JBD, the Byram, etc.

[The Jokeman]

10 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I really don't know why people think Kesselring is all that special. He has some potential but he really isn't proven top 4.   I have no problem adding him, but Peterka is at a higher value level. I suspect Adams was truly worried about an offer sheet and they didn't want to pay him at a higher level after Cozens and Samuelsson. Peterka isn't Reinhart, but there are similarities here in terms of how the organization disfunctions. 

Had Kevyn not prepaid Power and/or Muel I have to think JPP may still be here. Thing is Kesselring has size shown to a consistent .33 point per game producer which ain't bad for a 2nd pairing Dman. I'm hoping he's a Mike Ramsey type but might be lofty expectations at the very least Richard Shmelik. 

[PerreaultForever]

19 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Adams (Pegula, since... COVID? Since EEE for sure, because at least previously he was swinging for the Leino fences) operates out of fear.

The easy read is Kesserling was a target, and the Mammoth were prepared to offer the 7.7M as an offer sheet for Peterka. That's a 2026 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for a player who wants out (which Adams has to honor because that's his M.O. and also avoid the contractual obligation) and all futures, which is against their "win now, but cheap" mentality. Instead, Adams got a player he coveted who can immediately step into the lineup and another roster player. And they're both RFAs this summer and next so they are cheap and fit into the EEE mold. RFA Doan is this summer's RFA Malenstyn -- though with higher upside.

If the team struggles, Kesselring gets shopped for the next 1-year-to-RFA rental. The JBD, the Byram, etc.

Yes, so really zero progress. 

[PerreaultForever]

11 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Had Kevyn not prepaid Power and/or Muel I have to think JPP may still be here. Thing is Kesselring has size shown to a consistent .33 point per game producer which ain't bad for a 2nd pairing Dman. I'm hoping he's a Mike Ramsey type but might be lofty expectations at the very least Richard Shmelik. 

Well the bottom line is we are now slightly better on D and substantially weaker at wing. If they trade Byram we are no longer better on D but maybe the D is slightly different. If we trade Byram for a winger said winger puts up 25-30 goals we are exactly the same with more shuffled deck chairs and an internal cap. 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well the bottom line is we are now slightly better on D and substantially weaker at wing. If they trade Byram we are no longer better on D but maybe the D is slightly different. If we trade Byram for a winger said winger puts up 25-30 goals we are exactly the same with more shuffled deck chairs and an internal cap. 

I agree but we had to make changes imo. I hate losing JJP but it definitely feels he wanted it out or Adams didn't want to point up the money for him. Either way I like the compensation of players vs picks that might have been all we got if somebody signed him up an offer sheet. 

[steveoath]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Small, under a mil a year. Per Google:
 

 

So if we just wanted to send him to Rochester, is there a cap penalty or something that applies. Didn’t mean waived for termination. 

[dudacek]

26 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well the bottom line is we are now slightly better on D and substantially weaker at wing. If they trade Byram we are no longer better on D but maybe the D is slightly different. If we trade Byram for a winger said winger puts up 25-30 goals we are exactly the same with more shuffled deck chairs and an internal cap. 

I find the fact you like Peterka a hard nut to crack. To me, he's everything you claim to hate about the Sabres.

You'd also think that a guy who has been pounding the keyboard for years for size, grit, discipline, culture etc. might be at least moderately intrigued by an attempt to add players who are both cut from precisely that cloth.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not surprised you don't like the trade; On the contrary, I'd be surprised if you did.

The one position you are very consistent in taking is "If the Sabres did it, it was probably the wrong move."

And I understand how that's the safest path. I mean, when has it ever steered you wrong? 😁

Edited 12 hours ago by dudacek

[PromoTheRobot]

58 minutes ago, steveoath said:

So if we just wanted to send him to Rochester, is there a cap penalty or something that applies. Didn’t mean waived for termination. 

I don't know. I doubt they would send him to Roch. They'd trade him first. But that buyout is pretty painless.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Had Kevyn not prepaid Power and/or Muel I have to think JPP may still be here. Thing is Kesselring has size shown to a consistent .33 point per game producer which ain't bad for a 2nd pairing Dman. I'm hoping he's a Mike Ramsey type but might be lofty expectations at the very least Richard Shmelik. 

IF this guy is ####ing Smehlik-Clears-it-Not-Out fire him into the sun right ####ing now.

(Pretty sure he ain't.  But if he is, ftg.)

[triumph_communes]

Not sure how you can watch the cup finals and want to add Rossi. Team needs beef 

[Freeezo]

6 hours ago, Weave said:

They have a bunch of prospects like Rossi I would guess is the reason

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I agree but we had to make changes imo. I hate losing JJP but it definitely feels he wanted it out or Adams didn't want to point up the money for him. Either way I like the compensation of players vs picks that might have been all we got if somebody signed him up an offer sheet. 

Changes yes, but you see my list would have been you can trade anybody except Dahlin, Thompson, Tuch, Peterka and Benson and that's about it. Power would necessitate a great return but even he'd be a possible. So Adams moved one of my 5 untouchables and Utah looks pretty good. 

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, dudacek said:

I find the fact you like Peterka a hard nut to crack. To me, he's everything you claim to hate about the Sabres.

You'd also think that a guy who has been pounding the keyboard for years for size, grit, discipline, culture etc. might be at least moderately intrigued by an attempt to add players who are both cut from precisely that cloth.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not surprised you don't like the trade; On the contrary, I'd be surprised if you did.

The one position you are very consistent in taking is "If the Sabres did it, it was probably the wrong move."

And I understand how that's the safest path. I mean, when has it ever steered you wrong? 😁

Absolute bs.

1. Yes, I advocate adding grit because that is what the Sabres lack, but I am consistent in saying you need to build a balanced roster. Peterka is a pure goal scorer and they do not come along easily. You need a top 6 talent core and a bottom 6 to balance that. A mix of veterans and youngsters. It's not that hard, but Buffalo is idiotic and frustrating. You don't replace Peterka's production easily. 

2. Pure rubbish that I'm against every move. I was in favor of the McLeod trade and advocated for more similar deals. Under Adams I think that's the only good one. Where's the progress? Adams still here. Listen to any podcast you want. Take your pick. Find me one that says Adams is a good GM and is doing a good job. Just one. I guess they are all taking the safest path too. 

John Scott actually gets it right here. Starts around 15 min

 

[SABRES 0311]

We got what we needed for defense…I think.

We still have Byram and other assets.

[DarthEbriate]

6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well the bottom line is we are now slightly better on D and substantially weaker at wing. If they trade Byram we are no longer better on D but maybe the D is slightly different. If we trade Byram for a winger said winger puts up 25-30 goals we are exactly the same with more shuffled deck chairs and an internal cap. 

It’s always hope for the future with Adams. If Kesselring plays every game next year like the game he played in Buffalo, and if he settles Powers’ game and allows the kid to grow and learn how to clear a net (even if slowly), it could be a fantastic pickup. 

But… it’s no Ekblad, you know. It’s another guy who’s never proven anything. 

Edit: I should add, unproven on the D-corps (except Erik Johnson, who was a 1-year rental like Hall, who was sadly well past his prime to run their then-Granato game.) Zucker, Greenway, McLeod had all proven their ability to do their jobs before. 

Edited 6 hours ago by DarthEbriate

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

We got what we needed for defense…I think.

We still have Byram and other assets.

Did we?

So what are we looking at now? (assuming Byram is moved)

Dahlin - Samuelsson????

Power-Kesselring

Bernard Docker-Clifton

Bryson

Does that actually inspire confidence in you???

I'd say we need more.

 

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4 hours ago, Freeezo said:

They have a bunch of prospects like Rossi I would guess is the reason

I do not get the persistent panting over Rossi here. Scoring is not an issue and there is no doubt the up-and-comers on the team will fill the scoring gap the Sabres lost by trading a one-and-half-dimensional Peterka. We needed a top 4 RHD. We still need "character" guys with talent and enough discipline that they're not f%^king off when they should be focused on winning. Did we not watch the playoffs this year? Who on the Sabres would be a fit on Florida's roster? 

[DarthEbriate]

The defunct Rossi trade from the Wild perspective. They're not national guys, they know the Wild but know nothing really in any detail about Sabres. Though they do call Buffalo a hockey hellhole, which is funny because it's true.

 

The first bit is about Rossi/Peterka. But then they're looking for a center. Tavares, and then they float -- could you trade Rossi ++ for TNT. No. No you couldn't. And TNT isn't a center anyway. And that's where I can stop listening.

Edited 4 hours ago by DarthEbriate

[gilbert11]

11 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I don’t want another small skilled forward. I want to build a team of bullies (on the ice). I want to be done with the guys who just look around when your top forward gets destroyed. Samuelsson should have been gone when he did nothing. Kesselring and Doan bring that toughness mentality so I expect almost every pickup that we get via trade or FA should have the same imo.

I’ve reviewed the video of that play.  I did see Samuelson move into the post hit gathering and give someone a push.   That’s more than you’d likely get out of Power.  Nobody else on the ice did anything.

[gilbert11]

8 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I agree but we had to make changes imo. I hate losing JJP but it definitely feels he wanted it out or Adams didn't want to point up the money for him. Either way I like the compensation of players vs picks that might have been all we got if somebody signed him up an offer sheet. 

As others have said here, if you keep getting rid of players that don’t want to be on the team, it’ll be a revolving door and what do you have left?