Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan

[K-9]

31 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I don’t. I discuss with everyone. Rightly or wrongly I’ve been engaging with many many takes pro-trade and none of them have I called a burner but you. Never in my long years defending Eichel. I am well-familiar with being on my own. It’s not a reactive reaction on my part. I just have no interest in discussing with a plant, I’m sorry 

I don’t know you, I’m not trying to put you down. I just find the idea of team plants to sway the narrative very disingenuous not to mention incredibly lazy 

but that’s not on you - you are on assignment. 

Used to be a ficus myself. 
 

[Thorny]

Just now, K-9 said:

Used to be a ficus myself. 
 

I consider myself to be a Japanese peace Lily 

[CTJoe]

Servali (insider) is saying there should be an ESPN 30/30 done on the Peterka trade.  A lot of crazy stuff happened. I'm pretty sure....no I'm 100% sure I wouldn't want to see that.  Guessing it would make me sad.

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

What a change a day makes. Today, arguing Peterka is a good player makes your opposition the entire board. Yesterday we wouldn’t deal him for less than a star.

What a world 

It's very sad.  They argue that he was lousy defensively.  Who cares!  He's only 23.  Last I looked his job was to score and create offense, which he does very well.  

Why don't these same people criticize Power?  Last I looked his job was to play defense.  He can't.  To make matters worse he's also on an albatross contract.  Byram is basically the same, except he actually tries on defense (not successfully, but at least he tries).  Our defense is one of the worst in the NHL.  Maybe start fixing it, not by weakening the offense, but by clearing out the 17+ mill in bad contract being paid to Power, Samuellson and Clifton. 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, MISabresFan said:

It appears to be a change in direction from his original plan.  Creating a pile of prospects with goal scoring in mind, switch to today/last year - getting players who are hard to play against and a bit tougher.  (Problem - you need D and a goalie and better centermen, pretty weak down the middle.)

Possibly another year or two of no playoffs, especially with KA's speed of making changes.

Crystal ball - another 5 years goes by, other teams get good and creative with their rosters, and KA changes plan again to follow the trend...

Rinse Repeat

 

 

I don't think it's any secret that this roster was constructed poorly and his plan was dumb so there's no question these sort of players are the type we are missing and it does help change the make up of the roster in the right way, but unless he moves Byram for a top 6 forward (or picks and prospects for one) he's still playing that game of fix one hole create another and he looks like he's playing whack a mole or something. 

The problem is Dahlin's patience is at the breaking point right? He's said as much. It's now or it's another tear down do over. 

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

It's very sad.  They argue that he was lousy defensively.  Who cares!  He's only 23.  Last I looked his job was to score and create offense, which he does very well.  

Why don't these same people criticize Power?  Last I looked his job was to play defense.  He can't.  To make matters worse he's also on an albatross contract.  Byram is basically the same, except he actually tries on defense (not successfully, but at least he tries).  Our defense is one of the worst in the NHL.  Maybe start fixing it, not by weakening the offense, but by clearing out the 17+ mill in bad contract being paid to Power, Samuellson and Clifton. 

People be like, “we just noticing the flaws now.” No, you just knew before that they were acceptable in light of the full picture of his game, and now choose to ignore it

its sort of grinding in the way people try to “explain”‘Star Wars inconsistencies like why Ben talked differently about Vader in A new Hope. “Oh well Ben was confused yadda yadda” 

WHY are we so adverse to the *truth*? The reason the story about Luke’s father was different was because *at the time of the film* Vader…wasn’t Luke’s father in the script lol

like…it’s okay to just call it like it is. Us fans have flipped on the player cause fan means fanatic and fans are biased. He’s not a Sabre anymore. It’s ok to just admit it. Really. Your opinion on JJ changed because he’s not a Sabre anymore - that’s what actually happened

first thing my politics professor said and I’ll never forget it: bias isn’t a problem. It becomes dangerous when it is un-admitted

*disclaimer* you don’t have to feel “seen” by this post. If you don’t like it, feel free to ignore it 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thorny

[DarthEbriate]

8 minutes ago, Thorny said:

People be like, “we just noticing the flaws now.” No, you just knew before that they were acceptable in light of the full picture of his game, and now choose to ignore it

its sort of grinding in the way people try to “explain”‘Star Wars inconsistencies like why Ben talked differently about Vader in A new Hope. “Oh well Ben was confused yadda yadda” 

WHY are we so adverse to the *truth*? The reason the story about Luke’s father was different was because *at the time of the film* Vader…wasn’t Luke’s father in the script lol

like…it’s okay to just call it like it is. Us fans have flipped on the player cause fan means fanatic and fans are biased. He’s not a Sabre anymore. It’s ok to just admit it. Really. Your opinion on JJ changed because he’s not a Sabre anymore - that’s what actually happened

first thing my politics professor said and I’ll never forget it: bias isn’t a problem. It becomes dangerous when it is un-admitted

*disclaimer* you don’t have to feel “seen” by this post. If you don’t like it, feel free to ignore it 

Wait, wait, wait.

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father?

[GoPuckYourself]

9 minutes ago, Thorny said:

People be like, “we just noticing the flaws now.” No, you just knew before that they were acceptable in light of the full picture of his game, and now choose to ignore it

its sort of grinding in the way people try to “explain”‘Star Wars inconsistencies like why Ben talked differently about Vader in A new Hope. “Oh well Ben was confused yadda yadda” 

WHY are we so adverse to the *truth*? The reason the story about Luke’s father was different was because *at the time of the film* Vader…wasn’t Luke’s father in the script lol

like…it’s okay to just call it like it is. Us fans have flipped on the player cause fan means fanatic and fans are biased. He’s not a Sabre anymore. It’s ok to just admit it. Really. Your opinion on JJ changed because he’s not a Sabre anymore - that’s what actually happened

first thing my politics professor said and I’ll never forget it: bias isn’t a problem. It becomes dangerous when it is un-admitted

*disclaimer* you don’t have to feel “seen” by this post. If you don’t like it, feel free to ignore it 

You had to get a Star Wars reference in there somehow. 

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Used to be a ficus myself. 

@krakensabr56390 is an Imperial Probe Droid?

Welcome to the board!

We need all the new posters we can get. It's gotten quieter and quieter these last 14 years thanks to the quality of the product on the ice.

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Trade grades

The Athletic -  3 A- for Utah, 2 B and a C+ for Buffalo

ESPN - U A+, Buf B-

CBS - U B+, Buf C+

Daily Faceoff - U A-, Buf C

USA Today - U A-, Buf B

Yardbarker - U A, Buf C+

The grades mean absolutely little without giving the context of the deal/s. Are the Sabres better with this deal and another deal that most likely will be made due to the cost saving from the JJP deal after he signed his contract? For the sake of discussion, if Rust is added to the roster that came to fruition because we didn't have to sign JJP, then the combined deals seem to result in a better and mature roster. 

Adding Doan, Kesselring and Rust in my opinion does improve the roster in a variety of ways even if the JJP departure is factored in. It seems that you are just being reflexively negative. If you stand back a little and take a broader view I think you will have a more positive take on the eventual tabulation. Still TBD. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

@krakensabr56390 listen to this one.  He follows the rule religiously.

Good thing wasn't drinking while reading that.  Would definitely have been up in the sinuses and that can be painful.  Almost as painful as the next week will likely be.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, CTJoe said:

Servali (insider) is saying there should be an ESPN 30/30 done on the Peterka trade.  A lot of crazy stuff happened. I'm pretty sure....no I'm 100% sure I wouldn't want to see that.  Guessing it would make me sad.

Someone sure does want to keep his name in the news cycle. 

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Your opinion on JJ changed because he’s not a Sabre anymore - that’s what actually happened

 

Mine did. Does with every player the Sabres acquire and discard.

Not what I think about his game, or how much he's worth, but how much I care about him and want him to succeed? 

Hell yeah!

Isn't that both normal, and self-evident, and an intrinsic part of what this is all about for most people?

We're fans.

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, dudacek said:

 

Mine did. Does with every player the Sabres acquire and discard.

Not what I think about his game, or how much he's worth, but how much I care about him and want him to succeed? 

Hell yeah!

Isn't that both normal, and self-evident, and an intrinsic part of what this is all about for most people?

We're fans.

Absolutely - that’s my point 

the admittance of the actual experience 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

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1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

Wait, wait, wait.

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father?

Depends on your worldview. Darth Vader was not Luke's father because Darth killed Anakin - by his (Darth's) own admission - until he (Darth) decided he was still Anakin afterall, thereby resurrecting himself and casting aside Darth. So, the entity that referred to itself as "Darth Vader" was the father to no one, not even Luke, but his prior form, Anakin Skywalker, was...or is.

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, ... said:

Depends on your worldview. Darth Vader was not Luke's father because Darth killed Anakin - by his (Darth's) own admission - until he (Darth) decided he was still Anakin afterall, thereby resurrecting himself and casting aside Darth. So, the entity that referred to itself as "Darth Vader" was the father to no one, not even Luke, but his prior form, Anakin Skywalker, was...or is.

Anakin and Vader have always been the same person. “There’s still good in him” totally loses meaning if not. Some people act as if Vader is literally a different entity. It’s a story of a son redeeming his father -not a son banishing an evil entity holding his father captive. There’s no emotional power there and it severely cheapens Anakin’s character and downfall

All stems from “Vader betrayed and murdered your father” in episode four (which, again at the time the script was written was actually what happened)  

the “from a certain point of view it did happen” was literally a plot work around. Which over time and fan theory became “Vader is literally a new, dark entity that murdered his old self”

edit - oh, uhhhh, Josh Doan 

Levi likes Star Wars, whichever. Staying on topic. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

[ska-T Palmtown]

42 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The grades mean absolutely little without giving the context of the deal/s. Are the Sabres better with this deal and another deal that most likely will be made due to the cost saving from the JJP deal after he signed his contract? For the sake of discussion, if Rust is added to the roster that came to fruition because we didn't have to sign JJP, then the combined deals seem to result in a better and mature roster. 

Adding Doan, Kesselring and Rust in my opinion does improve the roster in a variety of ways even if the JJP departure is factored in. It seems that you are just being reflexively negative. If you stand back a little and take a broader view I think you will have a more positive take on the eventual tabulation. Still TBD. 

I think there is some value in saying if, If, IFFFFF, the Sabres uses that $5.5M savings to get Robertson or Marner, etc - then we could look back on the series of moves having been an overall success - and that would be more meaningful, at least to me.

By itself, still not happy with this trade. I liked JJ's game. There, I said it. It seems like some people (not necessarily you, JohnnySea) seem to think that strong 2-way forwards grow on trees. I am not even sure that brand of hockey is coached at the younger levels anymore. Even looking at the list of F's that get Selke votes, many of them are "meh" overall, but the crowd is thin.

In one of the other threads, it came up that the Sabres were 3-29 when scoring 2 or fewer goals. Solve the goalie, become an acceptably mediocre team that comfortably eeks into the playoffs. Can some of that come from better D? Sure, I guess. But without JJ, they may play MORE games scoring 2 or fewer goals, thus necessitating a proportionally stronger performance from the D and G. Classic Looney Tunes where Daffy is trying to plug the holes in the dam, but runs out of fingers (? you, the kind disney ducks have)

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3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

 the “from a certain point of view it did happen” was literally a plot work around 

How do you sleep at night?

[Thorny]

4 minutes ago, ... said:

How do you sleep at night?

Not exceptionally well, candidly 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

It's very sad.  They argue that he was lousy defensively.  Who cares!  He's only 23.  Last I looked his job was to score and create offense, which he does very well.  

Why don't these same people criticize Power?  Last I looked his job was to play defense.  He can't.  To make matters worse he's also on an albatross contract.  Byram is basically the same, except he actually tries on defense (not successfully, but at least he tries).  Our defense is one of the worst in the NHL.  Maybe start fixing it, not by weakening the offense, but by clearing out the 17+ mill in bad contract being paid to Power, Samuellson and Clifton. 

Perhaps it’s because Power already borders on elite offensively, while JJ borders on bad defensively? 

[Eleven]

15 minutes ago, ... said:

How do you sleep at night?

"On a mattress.  From MattressFIrm."

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Perhaps it’s because Power already borders on elite offensively, while JJ borders on bad defensively? 

Both bordering on elite one way. Same difference 

[K-9]

28 minutes ago, ... said:

Depends on your worldview. Darth Vader was not Luke's father because Darth killed Anakin - by his (Darth's) own admission - until he (Darth) decided he was still Anakin afterall, thereby resurrecting himself and casting aside Darth. So, the entity that referred to itself as "Darth Vader" was the father to no one, not even Luke, but his prior form, Anakin Skywalker, was...or is.

That is some high level literary insight right there. 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Both bordering on elite one way. Same difference 

That’s why I used the qualifier “perhaps.” Offense tends to shine brighter with the media types, too. 

[FrenchConnection44]

19 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Lol, so it’s all JJP’s fault that this team didn’t make the playoffs.  Not the bad coaching, poor management, defensemen who can’t play defensemen or the crap goaltending.  No it’s JJP’s fault because he was out for himself.  I’m sorry, but that’s really funny.  

Yes he did.  He’s also only 23.  

I never said that. You did. Not me. Try re-reading and stop putting words in people’s mouths.
 

I’m not going to thank a player who is 23, who has been on the team for all of 3 seasons, and says he wants out before that 3rd season is up. Whatever he did do he wasn’t a contributor to a team that made the playoffs. He didn’t make a commitment to the city or the team. He whined about leaving and left before they could become a playoff team. 

Here’s the deal. In any sport, if a young player brought into the program by that team, doesn’t want to be a part of the team and try to bring a playoff winning tradition to the city and team, fine. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. See ya, ain’t gonna thank ya. 

And that’s not a defense of the management in any way.