Time to trade Peterka

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, Pimlach said:

OK, thanks.  

The old "agent feeds the media in order to broker a deal" routine.   

Which we all know never happens. 

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Who's we? I've been exceedingly clear I wouldn't trade Peterka for anything short of Jason Robertson. 

This thread is titled "Time To Trade Peterka."

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

But with the Peterka rumblings, it seems everyone discussing moving him is doing so with the expectation that it ends up netting the best player in the deal (like all the thoughts on him being the big piece to get Robertson).

It's not like the Byram rumblings where Byram is the best player out of the pieces being speculated upon.  (Which, unless it is tied directly or inderectly to a Robertson-esque move is beyond frustrating.)

Ask yourself where these "rumblings" are coming from. (But don't ask @Pimlach) Are we going to let a player's agent dictate to us? I don't care if JJ doesn't want to be here. We have Peterka's rights until he's a fee agent, which is years away. We decide what to do with him and when.

Edited yesterday at 02:47 AM by PromoTheRobot

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Ask yourself where these "rumblings" are coming from. (But don't ask @Pimlach) Are we going to let a player's agent dictate to us? I don't care if JJ doesn't want to be here. We have Peterka's rights until he's a fee agent, which is years away. We decide what to do with him and when.

They're either coming from Peterka's agent (most likely source) or from someone in a FO of a team that's trying to land him.  Since Brandon and the other guy got punted One Buffalo is a fairly tight lipped ship.

But that isn't really here or there.  There appears to be a big prize actually available (Robertson) and a package centered around Peterka seems like something that would appeal to the Stars and for once we might actually see a trade where the biggest piece comes TO the Sabres not the other way around.  The last time that happened was when they grabbed O'Reilly.  It's been far too long since it happened.

Really like watching Peterka.  Will not be happy seeing him go should it come to pass.  But Robertson is a very good hockey player today and would be surprised if Peterka FULLY reaches his level.  It would be a trade that even if Dallas eventually "wins" the Sabres wouldn't lose because for the 1st 2-3 years at minimum the Sabres would have gotten the best player in the deal.

Really want to see Robertson brought in.  And 2 1sts and Rosen is NOT going to make that happen.  You have to give to get (usually) and Peterka could make it happen.

[gilbert11]

7 hours ago, Taro T said:

Byram out for a legit top 4 solid 2 way or defensive D-man that's in or very close to his prime and a 1st makes sense IF that 1st (or the Sabres 1st) is going out the door with Peterka and a piece like Rosen (that ends up the LITTLE bit extra to make the trade happen) for Robertson.

It's the ONLY way trading Byram for pieces makes sense if the goal is to make the Sabres better NOW.

And if Adams isn’t thinking 5his way, he’s even dumber than we thought.  If he’s not bringing back better players in trades, he’s filling out his own pink slip.  If he trades his existing NHL players for more draft picks, those will be used by his successor, or his successor …

[PerreaultForever]

7 hours ago, Taro T said:

Byram out for a legit top 4 solid 2 way or defensive D-man that's in or very close to his prime and a 1st makes sense IF that 1st (or the Sabres 1st) is going out the door with Peterka and a piece like Rosen (that ends up the LITTLE bit extra to make the trade happen) for Robertson.

It's the ONLY way trading Byram for pieces makes sense if the goal is to make the Sabres better NOW.

Why would you think they could get a top 4 defensive D man AND a first for Byram? Good top 4 defensive D men are highly sought after and not way below Byram's offensive D man value. Not good ones. 

I'm sticking with it. If you truly want to improve the D your trade chip is Norris. 

[Taro T]

5 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Why would you think they could get a top 4 defensive D man AND a first for Byram? Good top 4 defensive D men are highly sought after and not way below Byram's offensive D man value. Not good ones. 

I'm sticking with it. If you truly want to improve the D your trade chip is Norris. 

A FOUR is a long way away from a top 2 D-man.  If they can't get at least THAT much for Byram, then keep him.

[Pimlach]

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Ask yourself where these "rumblings" are coming from. (But don't ask @Pimlach) Are we going to let a player's agent dictate to us? I don't care if JJ doesn't want to be here. We have Peterka's rights until he's a fee agent, which is years away. We decide what to do with him and when.

Some of you think that it is players agents rumblings, but in the case of Peterka, he must really want to leave to have his agent rumbling for him.  

The Peterka rumors go back to the last trade deadline and there is the Dahlin story out there, indicates some unrest with Peterka.  

I agree with taking a hard line with him if that is the best choice for the team and fair compensation cannot be obtained in trade   The Sabres do not have to accommodate a trade.  Caving to RFAs sets a dangerous precedent in the future and this team is already known to quickly move people out when they are unhappy.  

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Some of you think that it is players agents rumblings, but in the case of Peterka, he must really want to leave to have his agent rumbling for him.  

The Peterka rumors go back to the last trade deadline and there is the Dahlin story out there, indicates some unrest with Peterka.  

I agree with taking a hard line with him if that is the best choice for the team and fair compensation cannot be obtained in trade   The Sabres do not have to accommodate a trade.  Caving to RFAs sets a dangerous precedent in the future and this team is already known to quickly move people out when they are unhappy.  

I agree. If JJP wants out then his new team can put together a package worth trading him for. Otherwise it's "suck it up, buttercup." 

Edited 15 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[That Aud Smell]

12 hours ago, darksabre said:

Lotta people in this place too attached to garbage. Interesting. 

Stockholm Syndrome.

[dudacek]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

Stockholm Syndrome.

Can't trade the good guys because we need them

Can't trade the bad guys because nobody wants them.

Can't sign free agents because nobody wants to come here.

Can't really do anything because Kevyn Adams is the GM and Terry Pegula is pulling his strings.

Pretty much where every conversation around here ends up.

[darksabre]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Can't trade the good guys because we need them

Can't trade the bad guys because nobody wants them.

Can't sign free agents because nobody wants to come here.

Can't really do anything because Kevyn Adams is the GM and Terry Pegula is pulling his strings.

Pretty much where every conversation around here ends up.

We gotta do something to make the team better!

No, not like that! 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, darksabre said:

We gotta do something to make the team better!

No, not like that! 

 

Well, in fairness, to give the devil his due, the "no, not like that" has been right 14 years running.

[That Aud Smell]

10 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Can't trade the good guys because we need them

Can't trade the bad guys because nobody wants them.

Can't sign free agents because nobody wants to come here.

Can't really do anything because Kevyn Adams is the GM and Terry Pegula is pulling his strings.

Pretty much where every conversation around here ends up.

[darksabre]

Just now, Taro T said:

 

Well, in fairness, to give the devil his due, the "no, not like that" has been right 14 years running.

Pretty amazing that the wrong choices get made every single time. Unprecedented consistency. 

[That Aud Smell]

fwiw, i would dissent from comparing a desire to keep peterka to an affection for "garbage."

but i take the point, i think. nothing is working. nothing has worked.

like the man said.

 

[darksabre]

FWIW, I think maybe 2-3 guys from the current roster will be on the team the next time they make the playoffs. 

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Pretty amazing that the wrong choices get made every single time. Unprecedented consistency. 

 

Who knew George Costanza had bought the team?  (Especially considering the OTHER franchises are good to great.)

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Pretty amazing that the wrong choices get made every single time. Unprecedented consistency. 

Like letting your best players leave. I can't understand why that isn't working.

[darksabre]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Like letting your best players leave. I can't understand why that isn't working.

Getting the mix right is a factor too. Even with good players this team is bad. The personality of it is unchanged for over a decade. Low effort, constantly injured, apocalyptically streaky. 

It doesn't seem to matter who the players are, who the coaches are, etc. The sum is never as good as the parts. 

[Taro T]

Just now, darksabre said:

Getting the mix right is a factor too. Even with good players this team is bad. The personality of it is unchanged for over a decade. Low effort, constantly injured, apocalyptically streaky. 

It doesn't seem to matter who the players are, who the coaches are, etc. The sum is never as good as the parts. 

And that's where coaching comes in.  Good coaches get the most out of their players.  They can't get more from them than the players have in them, John Cooper couldn't take the Ducks this season and win the SC, but they can get more out of them than even the player realizes he has.

[darksabre]

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

And that's where coaching comes in.  Good coaches get the most out of their players.  They can't get more from them than the players have in them, John Cooper couldn't take the Ducks this season and win the SC, but they can get more out of them than even the player realizes he has.

I think the Sabres consistently have too many players that don't have an extra gear. We see flashes of it from time to time, but mostly they're just overloaded with okay players who thrive when surrounded by players who do have that extra gear.

Sam Reinhart, for example, isn't a better player now than when he was here, he's just in a better mix. I don't see Sam plugging back into this roster and the team suddenly making the playoffs, ya know?

[Weave]

43 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Getting the mix right is a factor too. Even with good players this team is bad. The personality of it is unchanged for over a decade. Low effort, constantly injured, apocalyptically streaky. 

It doesn't seem to matter who the players are, who the coaches are, etc. The sum is never as good as the parts. 

Player mix, age, coaching, hell, upper management expectations.  Its all been lackluster.

Ive said several times recently that every player on this roster would be a useful, productive player on a good playoff team. They would be properly supported in their proper role.  Here they are asked to do too much with too little support and too little messaging of success from above.  

[pi2000]

Trading Peterka is dumb.    You hit on him in the draft, spent years and significant resources developing him into a nice top 6 player... and then you want to ship him off because he's not physical\defensive enough?   

In the meantime you're drafting the same type of skill players over and over and over again in the early rounds, developing them... for what?  To replace the guys like Peterka that you traded?   This cycle needs to stop.

This is where a POHO could help.   Hopefully Jarmo picks up on this and stops the madness.

Who cares if Peterka wants to be here.... he's an RFA and YOU the GM want him to be here, that's all that matters.

[sabremike]

39 minutes ago, Weave said:

Player mix, age, coaching, hell, upper management expectations.  Its all been lackluster.

Ive said several times recently that every player on this roster would be a useful, productive player on a good playoff team. They would be properly supported in their proper role.  Here they are asked to do too much with too little support and too little messaging of success from above.  

The thing with Adams is the perfect example why this organization is a joke: The rationale for not sacking the guy was he has one year left on his deal and Terry doesn't want to pay a guy not to work. Then they go out and hire a guy who would be far more credible as the GM as a babysitter for Kevyn. Now they get the worst of both worlds: They don't save any money by letting Kevyn finish up the year and the competent guy they hired isn't the guy in charge. You couldn't possibly come up with anything more ass backwards if you tried.

[dudacek]

9 minutes ago, sabremike said:

The thing with Adams is the perfect example why this organization is a joke: The rationale for not sacking the guy was he has one year left on his deal and Terry doesn't want to pay a guy not to work. Then they go out and hire a guy who would be far more credible as the GM as a babysitter for Kevyn. Now they get the worst of both worlds: They don't save any money by letting Kevyn finish up the year and the competent guy they hired isn't the guy in charge. You couldn't possibly come up with anything more ass backwards if you tried.

The bold is your opinion.

My opinion is Terry is bringing back Kevyn because he’s been in lockstep with every move. Firing him would be an acknowledgement that Terry himself was wrong and he’s not ready to admit that.