Defenders of interest, who could bolster the defense

[Flashsabre]

The problem is we have had the same issue on the backend and in net for Adams entire tenure and he hasn’t proven once that he knows how to identify it or fix it.

The Bring Everyone Back philosophy is his go to move. When he still has confidence in Wilford and Bryson what does it matter what other moves he tries?

[Turbo44]

8 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

The problem is we have had the same issue on the backend and in net for Adams entire tenure and he hasn’t proven once that he knows how to identify it or fix it.

The Bring Everyone Back philosophy is his go to move. When he still has confidence in Wilford and Bryson what does it matter what other moves he tries?

Yep agree - his confidence in Bryson makes no sense. Who cares if “the locker room really likes him,” If he sucks.

Im assuming you mean Clifton, who also sucks

[Flashsabre]

1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

Yep agree - his confidence in Bryson makes no sense. Who cares if “the locker room really likes him,” If he sucks.

Im assuming you mean Clifton, who also sucks

No I mean bringing Wilford back as defensive coach again

[bob_sauve28]

5 hours ago, JohnC said:

I'm with you on not giving up on Samuelsson. There's no question that he has struggled and not played up to his prematurely rewarded contract. But as you point out, it's not unusual for it to take time for defenseman to find their game. He's had to contend with a series of injuries that have set him back. I thought when paired with Dahlin at the end of the season that he played solidly and consistently. He's a target of scorn because he didn't intervene on a Dahlin hit. He was internally held to account and seemed to be chastened after that. I'm not sure what pairing he will be slotted in but I do see him maturing and finding a role suitable for his style of play that relies on skating and moving the puck forward. He's not a banger and never will be. He needs to be placed in a role that is in accordance to his best assets, not his worst assets. 

It will also be interesting to see how Bernard Decker works out. Another guy that had high hopes placed on him but then he ended up traded to us. Maybe he is at the right age where he turns into a good steady d-man. 

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

It will also be interesting to see how Bernard Decker works out. Another guy that had high hopes placed on him but then he ended up traded to us. Maybe he is at the right age where he turns into a good steady d-man. 

I do like Byram a lot. However, he's an asset that can be dealt and used to better round out the unit. I would be very receptive for a Byram to the Rangers for K'Andre Miller. Would this trade be an equal value deal from a talent standpoint? No. Byram is the more talented player, in my opinion. However, acquiring this big, rugged defenseman would better round out the unit. And as you point out with Bernard Decker and I noted with Samuelsson, most often there is a time lag for players to become good defenseman. It's a tough position to play. My same reasoning applies to the Power critique. Be more patient and the talent will be more actuated. 

[Brawndo]

7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Idk his value but maybe Rosen? Devils have rhd up the wazoo and maybe they want some depth scoring? My first thought. 

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

[thewookie1]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

He still has some value, he’s had a very good season in Rochester. I doubt he has super high value but he isn’t just worth some random 7th round pick 

[Slack_in_MA]

9 hours ago, JohnC said:

I'm with you on not giving up on Samuelsson. There's no question that he has struggled and not played up to his prematurely rewarded contract. But as you point out, it's not unusual for it to take time for defenseman to find their game. He's had to contend with a series of injuries that have set him back. I thought when paired with Dahlin at the end of the season that he played solidly and consistently. He's a target of scorn because he didn't intervene on a Dahlin hit. He was internally held to account and seemed to be chastened after that. I'm not sure what pairing he will be slotted in but I do see him maturing and finding a role suitable for his style of play that relies on skating and moving the puck forward. He's not a banger and never will be. He needs to be placed in a role that is in accordance to his best assets, not his worst assets. 

Seems he has a desire deficiency to me. Why keep bringing in towering defensemen like him and Power who play so small?

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

He still has some value, he’s had a very good season in Rochester. I doubt he has super high value but he isn’t just worth some random 7th round pick 

No he's not. He's destined for the waiver wire. 

[JohnC]

27 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Seems he has a desire deficiency to me. Why keep bringing in towering defensemen like him and Power who play so small?

The issue here isn’t bringing in similar styled players. I agree that there needs to be a different mix. We can still refashion the defense corps without letting these two young defensemen go. I recommend patience. It will pay dividends.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

If even that.

[LGR4GM]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

Yea. 

[DarthEbriate]

Not a defender…

Reinhart out of the lineup tonight. Stepping into the Panthers lineup: Jesper Boqvist. 

At this point, that’s the level of player I’m hoping Rosén is able to become. 

[Brawndo]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

He still has some value, he’s had a very good season in Rochester. I doubt he has super high value but he isn’t just worth some random 7th round pick 

He was drafted four years ago and in the 15 games he has played with the Sabres he has one assist, and is -6. 
His fancy stats were bad as well 

Another Jerry Forton Special 

[GASabresIUFAN]

11 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Yep agree - his confidence in Bryson makes no sense. Who cares if “the locker room really likes him,” If he sucks.

Im assuming you mean Clifton, who also sucks

When does Adams ever make sense?  

As to Rosen, he has value.  Maybe it's just a 2nd or 3rd pick, maybe it's a depth NHLer, but he has value.  The guys had 55 pts in 61 AHL games and has 6 pts (5 goals) in 7 playoff games.  He also just turned 22.  

Savoie got us McLeod and Savoie's production this year was 54 pts in 66 AHL games.  His NHL numbers are nearly identical to Rosens 5gms 1 ast -4.  He is 21.

That said, this is a D thread.  Would you trade either of the young Russian D as part of a deal to get a veteran D?

Edited 13 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[LGR4GM]

10 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

When does Adams ever make sense?  

As to Rosen, he has value.  Maybe it's just a 2nd or 3rd pick, maybe it's a depth NHLer, but he has value.  The guys had 55 pts in 61 AHL games and has 6 pts (5 goals) in 7 playoff games.  He also just turned 22.  

Savoie got us McLeod and Savoie's production this year was 54 pts in 66 AHL games.  His NHL numbers are nearly identical to Rosens 5gms 1 ast -4.  He is 21.

That said, this is a D thread.  Would you trade either of the young Russian D as part of a deal to get a veteran D?

Yes to your question. I'd like to help Novikov but we need to win hockey games, not extend our losing to 15yrs.

[The Jokeman]

Anyone think we could pry away Michael Kesselring from Utah for Byram? As he's a right hander, good point production as a bottom pair but also gets his nose dirty with PIMs. I think he's more of a top 4 tbh. Might be good complement to Power.

Edited 3 hours ago by The Jokeman

[LGR4GM]

11 hours ago, Brawndo said:

He was drafted four years ago and in the 15 games he has played with the Sabres he has one assist, and is -6. 
His fancy stats were bad as well 

Another Jerry Forton Special 

Could have had Cossa but Forton. 

I literally can draft better than the Sabres and I'm some dipshit on a message board. 

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Anyone think we could pry away Michael Kesselring from Utah for Byram? As he's a right hander, good point production as a bottom pair but also gets his nose dirty with PIMs.

Do they need a lefty? I feel like their right hand situation is good. 

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Do they need a lefty? I feel like their right hand situation is good. 

Sergachev is their top lefty but they have an aged Ian Cole (36) as their #2 lefty whose contract ends next year. 

Edited 3 hours ago by The Jokeman

[LGR4GM]

18 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Sergachev is their top lefty but they have an aged Ian Cole (36) as their #2 lefty whose contract ends next year. 

They also have Lamoreaux and Lavoie in the pipe who are rhd. There could be a deal there. Idk how to balance it out though. 

[JohnC]

11 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

When does Adams ever make sense?  

As to Rosen, he has value.  Maybe it's just a 2nd or 3rd pick, maybe it's a depth NHLer, but he has value.  The guys had 55 pts in 61 AHL games and has 6 pts (5 goals) in 7 playoff games.  He also just turned 22.  

Savoie got us McLeod and Savoie's production this year was 54 pts in 66 AHL games.  His NHL numbers are nearly identical to Rosens 5gms 1 ast -4.  He is 21.

That said, this is a D thread.  Would you trade either of the young Russian D as part of a deal to get a veteran D?

If you believe that the Russian will be contributing in a year or so, I would say no. I would rather trade Bryam for some immediate help on the blueline, a defenseman who has different attributes (rugged) than a puck carrying defenseman. With the assets that this organization has there are no excuses for not adding two defensemen to the unit that change the character of it. And it should be noted, contrary to the group thinking here I would prefer keeping Samuelsson. At least for now. 

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If you believe that the Russian will be contributing in a year or so, I would say no. I would rather trade Bryam for some immediate help on the blueline, a defenseman who has different attributes (rugged) than a puck carrying defenseman. With the assets that this organization has there are no excuses for not adding two defensemen to the unit that change the character of it. And it should be noted, contrary to the group thinking here I would prefer keeping Samuelsson. At least for now. 

Really quick, because pet peeve, rugged defenders can be puck carriers. 

[The Jokeman]

13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They also have Lamoreaux and Lavoie in the pipe who are rhd. There could be a deal there. Idk how to balance it out though. 

Middling forward prospect maybe Gabe Smith? 

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Really quick, because pet peeve, rugged defenders can be puck carriers. 

Without a doubt, there are rugged defenders than can be puck carriers. However, their acquisition costs are much higher (if available) than a more conservative defender in his zone. In my view, we need maybe two of those more physical defenders to recast the unit. And those type of players should be more attainable than the more valued rugged defender who can carry the puck. 

For the most part, we're not disagreeing here. The issue is what more doable. We have a good asset in Byram. I like him a lot but we need to remold the blueline to better balance out the unit. When you have an overlapping asset then use it smartly to fill a need. 

Edited 2 hours ago by JohnC

[LGR4GM]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Middling forward prospect maybe Gabe Smith? 

Kesselring really only had 1 good season and only has about 2 seasons of play. I think Byram is worth more. He's younger, way more experience, way more points.