Defenders of interest, who could bolster the defense

[Flashsabre]

The problem is we have had the same issue on the backend and in net for Adams entire tenure and he hasn’t proven once that he knows how to identify it or fix it.

The Bring Everyone Back philosophy is his go to move. When he still has confidence in Wilford and Bryson what does it matter what other moves he tries?

[Turbo44]

8 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

The problem is we have had the same issue on the backend and in net for Adams entire tenure and he hasn’t proven once that he knows how to identify it or fix it.

The Bring Everyone Back philosophy is his go to move. When he still has confidence in Wilford and Bryson what does it matter what other moves he tries?

Yep agree - his confidence in Bryson makes no sense. Who cares if “the locker room really likes him,” If he sucks.

Im assuming you mean Clifton, who also sucks

[Flashsabre]

1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

Yep agree - his confidence in Bryson makes no sense. Who cares if “the locker room really likes him,” If he sucks.

Im assuming you mean Clifton, who also sucks

No I mean bringing Wilford back as defensive coach again

[bob_sauve28]

5 hours ago, JohnC said:

I'm with you on not giving up on Samuelsson. There's no question that he has struggled and not played up to his prematurely rewarded contract. But as you point out, it's not unusual for it to take time for defenseman to find their game. He's had to contend with a series of injuries that have set him back. I thought when paired with Dahlin at the end of the season that he played solidly and consistently. He's a target of scorn because he didn't intervene on a Dahlin hit. He was internally held to account and seemed to be chastened after that. I'm not sure what pairing he will be slotted in but I do see him maturing and finding a role suitable for his style of play that relies on skating and moving the puck forward. He's not a banger and never will be. He needs to be placed in a role that is in accordance to his best assets, not his worst assets. 

It will also be interesting to see how Bernard Decker works out. Another guy that had high hopes placed on him but then he ended up traded to us. Maybe he is at the right age where he turns into a good steady d-man. 

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

It will also be interesting to see how Bernard Decker works out. Another guy that had high hopes placed on him but then he ended up traded to us. Maybe he is at the right age where he turns into a good steady d-man. 

I do like Byram a lot. However, he's an asset that can be dealt and used to better round out the unit. I would be very receptive for a Byram to the Rangers for K'Andre Miller. Would this trade be an equal value deal from a talent standpoint? No. Byram is the more talented player, in my opinion. However, acquiring this big, rugged defenseman would better round out the unit. And as you point out with Bernard Decker and I noted with Samuelsson, most often there is a time lag for players to become good defenseman. It's a tough position to play. My same reasoning applies to the Power critique. Be more patient and the talent will be more actuated. 

[Brawndo]

7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Idk his value but maybe Rosen? Devils have rhd up the wazoo and maybe they want some depth scoring? My first thought. 

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

[thewookie1]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

He still has some value, he’s had a very good season in Rochester. I doubt he has super high value but he isn’t just worth some random 7th round pick 

[Slack_in_MA]

9 hours ago, JohnC said:

I'm with you on not giving up on Samuelsson. There's no question that he has struggled and not played up to his prematurely rewarded contract. But as you point out, it's not unusual for it to take time for defenseman to find their game. He's had to contend with a series of injuries that have set him back. I thought when paired with Dahlin at the end of the season that he played solidly and consistently. He's a target of scorn because he didn't intervene on a Dahlin hit. He was internally held to account and seemed to be chastened after that. I'm not sure what pairing he will be slotted in but I do see him maturing and finding a role suitable for his style of play that relies on skating and moving the puck forward. He's not a banger and never will be. He needs to be placed in a role that is in accordance to his best assets, not his worst assets. 

Seems he has a desire deficiency to me. Why keep bringing in towering defensemen like him and Power who play so small?

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

He still has some value, he’s had a very good season in Rochester. I doubt he has super high value but he isn’t just worth some random 7th round pick 

No he's not. He's destined for the waiver wire. 

[JohnC]

27 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Seems he has a desire deficiency to me. Why keep bringing in towering defensemen like him and Power who play so small?

The issue here isn’t bringing in similar styled players. I agree that there needs to be a different mix. We can still refashion the defense corps without letting these two young defensemen go. I recommend patience. It will pay dividends.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

If even that.

[LGR4GM]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Rosen has minimal value at this point 

Yea. 

[DarthEbriate]

Not a defender…

Reinhart out of the lineup tonight. Stepping into the Panthers lineup: Jesper Boqvist. 

At this point, that’s the level of player I’m hoping Rosén is able to become. 

[Brawndo]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

He still has some value, he’s had a very good season in Rochester. I doubt he has super high value but he isn’t just worth some random 7th round pick 

He was drafted four years ago and in the 15 games he has played with the Sabres he has one assist, and is -6. 
His fancy stats were bad as well 

Another Jerry Forton Special 

[GASabresIUFAN]

11 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Yep agree - his confidence in Bryson makes no sense. Who cares if “the locker room really likes him,” If he sucks.

Im assuming you mean Clifton, who also sucks

When does Adams ever make sense?  

As to Rosen, he has value.  Maybe it's just a 2nd or 3rd pick, maybe it's a depth NHLer, but he has value.  The guys had 55 pts in 61 AHL games and has 6 pts (5 goals) in 7 playoff games.  He also just turned 22.  

Savoie got us McLeod and Savoie's production this year was 54 pts in 66 AHL games.  His NHL numbers are nearly identical to Rosens 5gms 1 ast -4.  He is 21.

That said, this is a D thread.  Would you trade either of the young Russian D as part of a deal to get a veteran D?

Edited 3 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN