Locker clean out day

[spndnchz]

Some links:

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/video/thompson-locker-cleanout-6371652955112

[spndnchz]

There’s over an hour of vids to watch

[LabattBlue]

The only interesting thing would be if any of the players begged out of this sh$t show. 

Edited April 18 by LabattBlue

[spndnchz]

Thompson

McLeod

Dahlin

Greenway 😳

Tuch 

Zucker

[Demoted]

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

The only interesting thing would be if any of the players begged out of this sh$t show. 

Or if they beg to stay...

 

[spndnchz]

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-locker-cleanout-interviews-quotes
 

 

[MISabresFan]

Love the comment on Sabre's Leadership- "They're going to put together what they think is the best team and best roster "

 

I think they were wrong.  

[Thorny]

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

The only interesting thing would be if any of the players begged out of this sh$t show. 

If it's a s**t show, the players ought to look in the mirror because they play the games.

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If it's a s**t show, the players ought to look in the mirror because they play the games.

Dude I’m honestly jealous. Like this is the management team you’ve been waiting for, in all seriousness - not snark. The offseason talking point is, indeed, “we assembled a fine team, they f*cked up coming in out of shape”

 

Like, you actually got it: your management team is bulletproof to results mattering 

They used “the players came in overconfident” last season - so they are literally running back excuses now 

as far as I am concerned, fans looking to measure by the metrics the rest of the league does (ie standings) should be made aware they are welcome in the fan base, but a clear minority: they are welcome to root for wins, but that’s not what we are interested in doing here in buffalo 

Edited April 18 by Thorner

[North Buffalo]

Um why dont season have offseason training in Buffalo say every 2-3 weeks just evaluate where these guys are at... give them a month off then bring them all in?

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Um why dont season have offseason training in Buffalo say every 2-3 weeks just evaluate where these guys are at... give them a month off then bring them all in?

Because then it can’t be used as an excuse at season’s end 

get out of here with your iron-clad logic 

Edited April 18 by Thorner

[jad1]

Don't know if the team is allowed to organize that in the off-season.  The players would need to take it upon themselves to do it, hence the comments encouraging to do so from management.

That said, the problem wasn't conditioning this year, the problem was roster construction and players too young to play outside their character.

If you draft a bunch of finesse players and throw them on the ice at 21 or 22 years old, they're going to play like a finesse team.  Telling them to lift weights isn't going to change that.

[Thorny]

4 minutes ago, jad1 said:

Don't know if the team is allowed to organize that in the off-season.  The players would need to take it upon themselves to do it, hence the comments encouraging to do so from management.

That said, the problem wasn't conditioning this year, the problem was roster construction and players too young to play outside their character.

If you draft a bunch of finesse players and throw them on the ice at 21 or 22 years old, they're going to play like a finesse team.  Telling them to lift weights isn't going to change that.

This doesn’t seem to be the messaging they are going with 

[spndnchz]

CBA. Plenty of guys play hockey in the offseason. With teammates or other team’s guys. 

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Um why dont season have offseason training in Buffalo say every 2-3 weeks just evaluate where these guys are at... give them a month off then bring them all in?

A number of players don’t live in the country. I don’t believe the organization has the authority to require the players to periodically call them back to be checked on.

[jad1]

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

This doesn’t seem to be the messaging they are going with 

Adams?  Nah, wormtongue will spin it to get a few more years from Terry.

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Um why dont season have offseason training in Buffalo say every 2-3 weeks just evaluate where these guys are at... give them a month off then bring them all in?

The reasoning given back at the B&GI's was that per the CBA the team can't force them to stay in Buffalo in the off-season (that rings true) and that they had limited communications with the individual player's personal trainers in the off-season as well (which didn't seem as true).  At that, Ruff said that he plans on taking a significantly different approach to the off-season.  It sounded like he wants the players and team to agree to individualized training plans; which one would've expected was already happening.

Would really like to see the entirety of the coaching staff under Ruff (with the POSSIBLE exception of Bales) canned.  But wouldn't be surprised if they only can some of the training staff (gotta have scapegoats) while bringing the rest of the staff back en masse.

And, can believe that some of the players didn't "train the right way" through the summer as so many of them are kids, they might simply not know any better and the fact that they're pro athletes in their early 20's (for the most part) would have them getting faster and stronger simply by getting closer to their primes.  But IF that is actually the case; then a WHOLE lot of management and the hockey department need to be gone; because THEY aren't kids and SHOULD know their roles within a professional athletic program.

[North Buffalo]

6 minutes ago, spndnchz said:

CBA. Plenty of guys play hockey in the offseason. With teammates or other team’s guys. 

Yup but team needs to work together more.

[LGR4GM]

32 minutes ago, jad1 said:

Don't know if the team is allowed to organize that in the off-season.  The players would need to take it upon themselves to do it, hence the comments encouraging to do so from management.

That said, the problem wasn't conditioning this year, the problem was roster construction and players too young to play outside their character.

If you draft a bunch of finesse players and throw them on the ice at 21 or 22 years old, they're going to play like a finesse team.  Telling them to lift weights isn't going to change that.

Which players were these?

[Dr. Who]

36 minutes ago, Taro T said:

The reasoning given back at the B&GI's was that per the CBA the team can't force them to stay in Buffalo in the off-season (that rings true) and that they had limited communications with the individual player's personal trainers in the off-season as well (which didn't seem as true).  At that, Ruff said that he plans on taking a significantly different approach to the off-season.  It sounded like he wants the players and team to agree to individualized training plans; which one would've expected was already happening.

Would really like to see the entirety of the coaching staff under Ruff (with the POSSIBLE exception of Bales) canned.  But wouldn't be surprised if they only can some of the training staff (gotta have scapegoats) while bringing the rest of the staff back en masse.

And, can believe that some of the players didn't "train the right way" through the summer as so many of them are kids, they might simply not know any better and the fact that they're pro athletes in their early 20's (for the most part) would have them getting faster and stronger simply by getting closer to their primes.  But IF that is actually the case; then a WHOLE lot of management and the hockey department need to be gone; because THEY aren't kids and SHOULD know their roles within a professional athletic program.

Just an immense lack of wisdom in the positions of authority. It starts with the owner.

[Taro T]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Just an immense lack of wisdom in the positions of authority. It starts with the owner.

Fair read.

Another thing that was interesting at the B&GI's was Ruff saying (and am paraphrasing here) when asked about leadership from the players (in relation to 1 of the leaders getting traded and another being healthy scratched earlier in the year) that things look different from inside the organization than from outside and his preconceived notions on some of the players that he'd developed from playing against them were off.   And he did mention how the team did have a lot of leadership, mentioning Greenway and Zucker by name as guys that helped the team's leadership group; personally got the impression that if he had it to do over again he'd likely have either just gone with Dahlin, Tuch, and Thompson as the captains (C,A,A) or added the other 2 mentioned to those 3.

[zow2]

They came back from Europe with two regulation losses vs NJ in their luggage. Never recovered from that quite honestly. Two games in and it felt like the season was over.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

The reasoning given back at the B&GI's was that per the CBA the team can't force them to stay in Buffalo in the off-season (that rings true) and that they had limited communications with the individual player's personal trainers in the off-season as well (which didn't seem as true).  At that, Ruff said that he plans on taking a significantly different approach to the off-season.  It sounded like he wants the players and team to agree to individualized training plans; which one would've expected was already happening.

Would really like to see the entirety of the coaching staff under Ruff (with the POSSIBLE exception of Bales) canned.  But wouldn't be surprised if they only can some of the training staff (gotta have scapegoats) while bringing the rest of the staff back en masse.

And, can believe that some of the players didn't "train the right way" through the summer as so many of them are kids, they might simply not know any better and the fact that they're pro athletes in their early 20's (for the most part) would have them getting faster and stronger simply by getting closer to their primes.  But IF that is actually the case; then a WHOLE lot of management and the hockey department need to be gone; because THEY aren't kids and SHOULD know their roles within a professional athletic program.

I said it months ago and I still expect to see Peca on this coaching staff next season. The rags have to clean house at this point, right?

[gomper]

I like Lindy but I honestly don't care what his initial analysis is from him or the players. This season was a failure of epic proportions. Roster construction is flawed more than the O rings on the Challenger. In what world does a 30+ goal scorer have to take ot upon himself to stand for his teammates? I hate this team and the 35,000 foot retrospective overlay only makes it worse. F them.