GDT: Calder Cup QF: Amerks (2-2) @ Rocket, Gm5: Sun May 24 4:30p FLO, The Fan

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, dudacek said:

I watched Zito make the offer and Adams accept it.

It was a terrible trade. No need to embellish.

Was KA the GM who declined to give Reinhart the early extension when he had an opportunity to do so and the player was willing to sign? I think that was the case but memory is foggy on that issue. 

[PromoTheRobot]

38 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Was KA the GM who declined to give Reinhart the early extension when he had an opportunity to do so and the player was willing to sign? I think that was the case but memory is foggy on that issue. 

I think it was Botterill.

[JohnC]

41 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I think it was Botterill.

Thanks. You may be right. I thought it was KA but not sure.

[Pimlach]

Adam’s signed Reinhart to a one year extension at $5.2M in Oct of 2020.  After the season Reinhart told Adams he did not want to stay for another rebuild and was traded in Aug of 2021.  Florida signed him for 3 yrs at $6.5M and followed it with 8 years at $8.625M.  Zito sees him as a long term Core player. 

Edited yesterday at 01:07 AM by Pimlach

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Adam’s signed Reinhart to a one year extension at $5.2M in Oct of 2020.  After the season Reinhart told Adams he did not want to stay for another rebuild and was traded in Aug of 2021.  Florida signed him for 3 yrs at $6.5M and followed it with 8 years at $8.625M.  Zito sees him as a long term Core player. 

Correct me if I’m wrong that Reinhart was willing to sign a long term deal but the GM didn’t want to? 

[dudacek]

11 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Correct me if I’m wrong that Reinhart was willing to sign a long term deal but the GM didn’t want to? 

It was explicitly reported that Reinhart said he was willing at one point, certainly when he signed his 2nd contract after three years, but no longer willing after 6 years, when he was traded. It was never made clear that I saw where his head was after years 4 and 5.

It was implied that Botterill was not willing after three or four years because he generally was not a fan of long-term deals.

It was also implied that Adams was not willing after year 5, because of Terry’s EEE policies tied to COVID.

I don’t know if either management position was ever explicitly confirmed.

[JohnC]

52 minutes ago, dudacek said:

It was explicitly reported that Reinhart said he was willing at one point, certainly when he signed his 2nd contract after three years, but no longer willing after 6 years, when he was traded. It was never made clear that I saw where his head was after years 4 and 5.

It was implied that Botterill was not willing after three or four years because he generally was not a fan of long-term deals.

It was also implied that Adams was not willing after year 5, because of Terry’s EEE policies tied to COVID.

I don’t know if either management position was ever explicitly confirmed.

Florida was the beneficiary of our clown show. It never ends. 

There was a lot of negative commentary here about Jack's demand to get the helll out of this freak show. He was right. Even years after he departed this franchise is still flailing while he has a Cup with his name etched on it. 

[Jorcus]

12 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Adam’s signed Reinhart to a one year extension at $5.2M in Oct of 2020.  After the season Reinhart told Adams he did not want to stay for another rebuild and was traded in Aug of 2021.  Florida signed him for 3 yrs at $6.5M and followed it with 8 years at $8.625M.  Zito sees him as a long term Core player. 

The way I remember it at the time was Adams was asking everyone if they wanted to be here. According to Paul Hamilton Reinhart said he was willing to go either way. So they could have thrown a big salary at him to stay but if they were stripping down the team what good would it have done in the short run. His production was no better than Peterkas and that was after 5+ years of NHL experience. I don't think this team would have been in a different place if he stayed playing with a bunch of kids. Florida picked off a guy at the right time and it worked out well for them.

[PromoTheRobot]

If anyone cares: Charlotte smoked Laval in Game 1. I guess the Rocket blew their wad on the Amerks. 
https://theahl.com/news/checkers-barrage-grounds-rocket-in-game-1

[dudacek]

I tell you, Leone sure sounds like a guy I want coaching my team:

The way he talks, what he knows off the top of his head, the things he believes in.

Impressive.

[PromoTheRobot]

31 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I tell you, Leone sure sounds like a guy I want coaching my team:

The way he talks, what he knows off the top of his head, the things he believes in.

Impressive.

Is he part of the Sabres plans moving forward? 

[Wyldnwoody44]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Is he part of the Sabres plans moving forward? 

He just doesn't have the hair or nepotism needed sadly

[French Collection]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Is he part of the Sabres plans moving forward? 

You just never know, he could be the next Jon Cooper.
Karmanos probably hired him and would know him best. KA would rank Appert above him.

Appert, Wilford and Ellis are locked in, there are no better coaches available, KA has done a deep dive into it. They just need more time for the palm seeds to take root. The new strength coach will whip the team into shape and turn them into beasts.

We just need patience, LOL.

Edited 18 hours ago by French Collection

[thewookie1]

I do like Rochester’s coach more than Appert.

[pastajoe]

Laval must have burned out vs the Amerks. Charlotte has won the first two games in Laval; 5-1 and 5-2.

[shrader]

11 hours ago, French Collection said:

You just never know, he could be the next Jon Cooper.
Karmanos probably hired him and would know him best. KA would rank Appert above him.

Appert, Wilford and Ellis are locked in, there are no better coaches available, KA has done a deep dive into it. They just need more time for the palm seeds to take root. The new strength coach will whip the team into shape and turn them into beasts.

We just need patience, LOL.

I know we like to crap on Appert, but Leone is more than likely not here without him. They coached together with the USNDT. He’s been Alpert’s successor twice now. You better believe that he had a lot of input on that hire. 

[French Collection]

2 minutes ago, shrader said:

I know we like to crap on Appert, but Leone is more than likely not here without him. They coached together with the USNDT. He’s been Alpert’s successor twice now. You better believe that he had a lot of input on that hire. 

Interesting. That happens a lot in hockey.

The next smart decision is that a GM evaluates them vs each other and other candidates. Seniority is a thing, especially in a unionized environment, but sometimes the “apprentice” is much better than the mentor.

I know we dump on Appert but it’s difficult to not see him taking over the HC job with KA at the helm. Qualified people may hesitate to work for him and the owner has trust issues with outside talent. On top of it all, a first time coach will be cheaper.

Lindy is a different story, there was already some trust established and he could supply more than coaching knowledge.

 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, French Collection said:

Interesting. That happens a lot in hockey.

The next smart decision is that a GM evaluates them vs each other and other candidates. Seniority is a thing, especially in a unionized environment, but sometimes the “apprentice” is much better than the mentor.

I know we dump on Appert but it’s difficult to not see him taking over the HC job with KA at the helm. Qualified people may hesitate to work for him and the owner has trust issues with outside talent. On top of it all, a first time coach will be cheaper.

Lindy is a different story, there was already some trust established and he could supply more than coaching knowledge.

 

One of those random rumors when everyone was throwing things at the wall a month or so back was that Appert would take on a bigger role. Maybe he is a better fit as a talent evaluator and not behind the bench. Not that I see any world where Adams is still calling the shots, but I don’t think that Appert would be the guaranteed head coach on the Adams ship. 

[dudacek]

I think Appert's rise is mostly due to his positive, upbeat personality.

i know it can rub the hardcore hockey cynics of Sabrespace the wrong way, but it certainly seems effective in terms of how he's thought of around the office.

[PromoTheRobot]

So...

Appert to scouting?

Leone to Lindy's assistant?

Lindy retires/gets moved up and Leone takes over?