GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Miller averaged nearly 40 points per 82 games in Vegas and was a contributor in a Stanley Cup final run. You have weird definitions of bad. Check his last season there. He pts dropped, his pt dropped and he was even a healthy scratch. He was also terrible in his own zone during his time there. So yes he was exceedingly mediocre by the time he got traded. Also over 40% of his points came on the PP, something he was not needed for here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Check his last season there. He pts dropped, his pt dropped and he was even a healthy scratch. He was also terrible in his own zone during his time there. So yes he was exceedingly mediocre by the time he got traded. Also over 40% of his points came on the PP, something he was not needed for here. He had 29 points in 65 games in his last Knights season and was an analytics darling when we acquired him. The price of a 2nd and a 5th was generally considered fair. “Bad” does not describe Miller’s play on Vegas. “Bad” describes Carter Hutton’s play in Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, dudacek said: He had 29 points in 65 games in his last Knights season and was an analytics darling when we acquired him. The price of a 2nd and a 5th was generally considered fair. “Bad” does not describe Miller’s play on Vegas. “Bad” describes Carter Hutton’s play in Buffalo. Last I looked there was more to playing defense in the NHL than simply looking at a guys points, especially when 40% of Miller's points in LV were on the PP. By the end of his time in LV his points began to drop off ( 8 points in his last 27 games), his PT dropped (from 21+ to 17) and he was an occasional healthy scratch. I wrote when we acquired him that he was defensively challenged, was going to be Baloo 2 and the deal only made sense if we were trading Risto. We didn't trade Risto and Miller has been terrible in our zone since he arrived. To make matters worse, he was the 4th option for PP time behind Dahlin, Risto and Montour and has been mostly a bottom pair guy here on a defensively challenged team. So yes he was bad in LV as a defenseman. PP specialist he was fine, except that wasn't what we needed here. Buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 If Hagg is worth a 6th, I guess Miller is worth a 5th and Butcher nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: If Hagg is worth a 6th, I guess Miller is worth a 5th and Butcher nothing. Already acquired a pick for Butcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Last I looked there was more to playing defense in the NHL than simply looking at a guys points, especially when 40% of Miller's points in LV were on the PP. By the end of his time in LV his points began to drop off ( 8 points in his last 27 games), his PT dropped (from 21+ to 17) and he was an occasional healthy scratch. I wrote when we acquired him that he was defensively challenged, was going to be Baloo 2 and the deal only made sense if we were trading Risto. We didn't trade Risto and Miller has been terrible in our zone since he arrived. To make matters worse, he was the 4th option for PP time behind Dahlin, Risto and Montour and has been mostly a bottom pair guy here on a defensively challenged team. So yes he was bad in LV as a defenseman. PP specialist he was fine, except that wasn't what we needed here. Buyer beware. So Miller was bad in Vegas because his points slipped in his last 27 games there, you compared him to Nate Beaulieu, and his defence sucked in Buffalo. Got it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 6 hours ago, woods-racer said: It's looking more and more likely that Collin is not getting much attention. 36 hours left and not even a rumor. Yes the NHL rumor mill, the encyclopedia Britiannica of today’s factual knowledge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 2 hours ago, dudacek said: He had 29 points in 65 games in his last Knights season and was an analytics darling when we acquired him. The price of a 2nd and a 5th was generally considered fair. “Bad” does not describe Miller’s play on Vegas. “Bad” describes Carter Hutton’s play in Buffalo. You are ignoring that his defense was bad in LV which is why his minutes decreased. So yes he was bad defensively when acquired. Not Hutton terrible overall, but yes it was a bad acquisition of a bad defensive player for a team that didn’t need his PP skillset. He should have been gone long before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: You are ignoring that his defense was bad in LV which is why his minutes decreased. So yes he was bad defensively when acquired. Not Hutton terrible overall, but yes it was a bad acquisition of a bad defensive player for a team that didn’t need his PP skillset. He should have been gone long before now. Then blame your boy Botterill for getting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) Just now, Marvin, Sabres Fan said: Then blame your boy Botterill for getting him. I do and did then. It was a poor decision just like acquiring Butcher. Edited March 20, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: I do and did then. It was a poor decision just like acquiring Butcher. This might be the dumbest hill I've ever seen anyone willing to die on. I'm serious. You're now bitching in multiple threads, over Adams getting a free 5th to take a flyer on a 3rd pairing defender because it cost 2.8mil against the cap for a team that has roughly 15 million in cap space. It's asinine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: This might be the dumbest hill I've ever seen anyone willing to die on. I'm serious. You're now bitching in multiple threads, over Adams getting a free 5th to take a flyer on a 3rd pairing defender because it cost 2.8mil against the cap for a team that has roughly 15 million in cap space. It's asinine. you are 100% correct, but no need to get worked up about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: This might be the dumbest hill I've ever seen anyone willing to die on. I'm serious. You're now bitching in multiple threads, over Adams getting a free 5th to take a flyer on a 3rd pairing defender because it cost 2.8mil against the cap for a team that has roughly 15 million in cap space. It's asinine. So you think it’s ok for an organization to mismanage their $ and have poor player evaluation. Gotcha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: So you think it’s ok for an organization to mismanage their $ and have poor player evaluation. Gotcha! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: So you think it’s ok for an organization to mismanage their $ and have poor player evaluation. Gotcha! So it’s ok to get a pick for retaining salary for a guy you never had but it’s not ok if you get a guy to do the same thing? I have nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, tom webster said: So it’s ok to get a pick for retaining salary for a guy you never had but it’s not ok if you get a guy to do the same thing? I have nothing. There is nothing wrong with it, I just wish that he had acquired a player who could have helped the team. Edited March 20, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: There is nothing wrong with it, I just wish that he had acquired a player who could have helped the team. Well, sure. He took a bunch of flyers and some paid off and some didn’t. At worst he got a 5th round pick for taking the Butcher flyer. Maybe he’ll get another low pick for him, maybe not. Either way he’s gone in a couple of months. It’s certainly not worth all the sturm und drang you are inflicting on everyone in multiple threads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 How about Miller, Anderson, and 23' Vegas 2nd rd pick to NYR for RD Lundkvist and St. Louis 22' 2nd rd pick. Would add depth to RD for Sabres and a good pick. Rangers get added depth for playoff run and the ability to move Georgiav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, sweetlou said: How about Miller, Anderson, and 23' Vegas 2nd rd pick to NYR for RD Lundkvist and St. Louis 22' 2nd rd pick. Would add depth to RD for Sabres and a good pick. Rangers get added depth for playoff run and the ability to move Georgiav. I could get talked into taking Georgiev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 We may never know ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, French Collection said: I could get talked into taking Georgiev. Not me. Just too inconsistent. Also, he apparently has some attitude issues. I don't want near our 4 young netminders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, The Ghost of Doohickie said: We may never know ... Is the market set yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, The Ghost of Yuri said: Is the market set yet? Still waiting ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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