kas23 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Not sure how Geekie having a lower sh% is a plus but, what he's saying isn't necessarily wrong but it ignores a huge problem. Geekie has severally flawed skating impacting his speed, quickness, agility, and balance. If you believe you can fix his skating, you can get a player who is a better playmaker and 2way player. That skating scares me. Really? One is sustainable and the other one isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kas23 said: Really? One is sustainable and the other one isn’t. Why is a 9% more sustainable and translates better than a 17% both will likely come down at the NHL level. Neither is an outlier for the whl. Further the higher % would indicate a better shooter such as Jarvis at 19.18% compared to Krebs at 10.71%, that shows in the NHL with Jarvis being a better shot. Edited January 3, 2022 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Why is a 9% more sustainable and translates better than a 17% both will likely come down at the NHL level. Neither is an outlier for the whl. Further the higher % would indicate a better shooter such as Jarvis at 19.18% compared to Krebs at 10.71%, that shows in the NHL with Jarvis being a better shot. Sorry, should’ve been more clear. Savoie’s sh% is elevated because he’s getting most of his points on the PP. 9% is more sustainable because it’s at least the NHL average and I don’t think there’s a linear relationship between amateur hockey and the NHL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Not sure how Geekie having a lower sh% is a plus but, what he's saying isn't necessarily wrong but it ignores a huge problem. Geekie has severally flawed skating impacting his speed, quickness, agility, and balance. If you believe you can fix his skating, you can get a player who is a better playmaker and 2way player. That skating scares me. Isn’t this what they said about Draisaitl? I’m not assuming just because Leon overcame it, Geekie can, just asking a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, tom webster said: Isn’t this what they said about Draisaitl? I’m not assuming just because Leon overcame it, Geekie can, just asking a question. Yes. I think Draisaitl probably was a better skater than Geekie. Hard to remember now. So if you think Geekie can fix his skating, he's got lots of potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) I've got skating clips from EP I can post later https://eprinkside.com/2021/11/05/film-room-investigating-conor-geekies-all-around-game Edited January 3, 2022 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Connor Geekie skating clips, courtesy of EP Rinkside (again, if you like prospect stuff, subscribe) Here is his skating stride. It is a weird hunched stride where his legs aren't bending how they should. He does not push off the side but pushes straight back limiting his power. He does not get a full extension on each stride and his ankle flexion sucks. Second clips shows his lack of balance, he is 6'4" and 205lb and he just gets shoved over because his legs aren't wide enough and he stands upright with hunched shoulders. You will notice there is a bit lacking in the agility. The question any NHL team has to ask itself is, "can we significantly improve his skating?" These highlight the worst of his skating so keep that in mind. He has balance issue, his lack of skating slows his pace of play, he isn't particularly quick, he has projected below average NHL skating. #28, you can watch multiple shifts Edited January 3, 2022 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LGR4GM Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Matvei Mitchkov is outproducing the first 2022 draft eligible MHL player by almost double for even strength primary points. DOUBLE. His straight P1/PG (includes pp), is 1.45 HIGHER than the 2022 best draft eligible guy (Perevalov). To put that in perspective if I substract Perevalov from Mitchkov, Mitchkov would still be the best by .45ppg. Holy crap on a stick. Going back to 2018, Mitchkov is without a comparable within 1 primary point per game, there is no one even in his orbit. He's not even draft eligible yet. Also Perevalov is in the ballpark of Amirov or Dorofeyev so he's got top 6 potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Matvei Mitchkov is outproducing the first 2022 draft eligible MHL player by almost double for even strength primary points. DOUBLE. His straight P1/PG (includes pp), is 1.45 HIGHER than the 2022 best draft eligible guy (Perevalov). To put that in perspective if I substract Perevalov from Mitchkov, Mitchkov would still be the best by .45ppg. Holy crap on a stick. Going back to 2018, Mitchkov is without a comparable within 1 primary point per game, there is no one even in his orbit. He's not even draft eligible yet. Also Perevalov is in the ballpark of Amirov or Dorofeyev so he's got top 6 potential. He was very impressive in the limited WJHC views as a recently turned 17 year old. The Russians usually take all 19 year olds for their WJ team and Michkov was not only on it but a top line player. It is too bad for the NHL that he is signed to the KHL for 6 years. That may be the deal breaker between him and Bedard. I guess his NHL team could buy him out but that would take many $$$$$. He could be the guy that facilitates a player transfer agreement between those two leagues. The Russian team was escorted off the plane by police in Calgary for being rowdy on their flight home. https://calgaryherald.com/news/russian-czech-world-junior-hockey-teams-kicked-off-calgary-flight Edited January 4, 2022 by French Collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/1/2022 at 8:51 PM, LGR4GM said: January is typically when you can start to actually care about rankings but I'd wait until March or April honestly. Things will start to solidify and draft reports will be better. Don't torpedo your subscriber base dude! We want updates all year. On 1/2/2022 at 8:43 PM, LGR4GM said: Savoie not scoring at 5v5 gives me great concern. PP points in juniors can be juiced. The 5 v 5 stuff worries me as far as his positional outlook at the NHL level - could see that getting him moved to W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Thorny said: Don't torpedo your subscriber base dude! We want updates all year. The 5 v 5 stuff worries me as far as his positional outlook at the NHL level - could see that getting him moved to W The ev/p1 numbers put him in that Dach range of player and for the record Dach is a 2nd line player. He's basically lesser Cozens IMPO but that is the tracking so far on Savoie. Other whl players in that range include Ridley Grieg, Pavel Novak, Ozzy Wiesblatt. Cozens is slightly higher, Jarvis is the tops. Savoie: 0.5484 Grieg: 0.5179 Wiesblatt: 0.5469 Dach: 0.5968 Novak: 0.6 Cozens: 0.6471 Jarvis: 0.9483 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Note, I am specifically cutting out all the PP1 (powerplay primary points) that Savoie has gotten which when added jumps him a little bit. There are a ton of secondary assists with Savoie's numbers and that always gives me pause especially when you are on a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Liam Ohgren should be a player the Sabres are taking a serious look at (outside the top 15). Only concern is he only got 14 games at the J20 level before getting shipped up to the SHL where he has 2pts in 21 games as a 17yr old. Ohgren: 1.2857 ev/p1 Berggren: 0.8947 Nybeck: 0.8571 Heineman: 0.8276 Edited January 4, 2022 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Digger Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 9:01 AM, LGR4GM said: Connor Geekie skating clips, courtesy of EP Rinkside (again, if you like prospect stuff, subscribe) Here is his skating stride. It is a weird hunched stride where his legs aren't bending how they should. He does not push off the side but pushes straight back limiting his power. He does not get a full extension on each stride and his ankle flexion sucks. Second clips shows his lack of balance, he is 6'4" and 205lb and he just gets shoved over because his legs aren't wide enough and he stands upright with hunched shoulders. You will notice there is a bit lacking in the agility. The question any NHL team has to ask itself is, "can we significantly improve his skating?" These highlight the worst of his skating so keep that in mind. He has balance issue, his lack of skating slows his pace of play, he isn't particularly quick, he has projected below average NHL skating. #28, you can watch multiple shifts I know all skills can be improved but in today's NHL I would always want the team drafting players that are great skaters not players that need to be better. Good players generally find a way to improve but it's doubtful Geekie will ever be an exceptional skater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/2/2022 at 9:41 PM, LGR4GM said: Not sure how Geekie having a lower sh% is a plus but, what he's saying isn't necessarily wrong but it ignores a huge problem. Geekie has severally flawed skating impacting his speed, quickness, agility, and balance. If you believe you can fix his skating, you can get a player who is a better playmaker and 2way player. That skating scares me. I’ve seen Winnipeg around 15 times and I can’t see how Geekie can be rated higher than Savoie. maybe I’ve been mesmerized by Savoie’s PP abilities. I’m really going to pay attention to them both at 5v5 Im 100% sure Savoie is a much more dynamic player and has a much better shot than Geekie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 9 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: I’ve seen Winnipeg around 15 times and I can’t see how Geekie can be rated higher than Savoie. maybe I’ve been mesmerized by Savoie’s PP abilities. I’m really going to pay attention to them both at 5v5 Im 100% sure Savoie is a much more dynamic player and has a much better shot than Geekie Honestly at this point Cooley, Nemec, and Jiricek interest me more than Geekie and Savoie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 How players use speed matters. It is why a player like Rossi is dynamic or a player like JJ can be (he isn't there yet). I bring this up because evaluating prospects cannot just be a simple, are they fast? It is how they use that to manipulate the defenders and if they can do that through multiple layers consistently. Good read ont he subject. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dudacek Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Speed is like size. It matters, but only if it is regularly utilized to play hockey better. Peterka uses his well at the AHL level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Danil Yurov is a potential option in the first round depending on where we draft. Perevlaov is also a player of interest at the end of the 1st or early 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 I don't remember if I posted this but since we are talking about Savoie we should also be looking at Cooley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 I'm leaning towards Nemec at this early date, but Cooley is his competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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