WildCard Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I just went on FB for my normal once-a-week visit and a poll popped up asking me whether I thought FB was good or bad for the world. What are they even driving at with that question? Like they really care what the answers are to that poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 What are they even driving at with that question? Like they really care what the answers are to that poll? I have no idea. I think it's meant to make me think that they care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I’m not in Buffalo, but from this distance the hype seems considerably lower for Dahlin than for Eichel. Which is interesting because I think Dahlin is a better prospect. I think fandom is in a place of “I’ve heard this all before”. Show us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I’m not in Buffalo, but from this distance the hype seems considerably lower for Dahlin than for Eichel. Which is interesting because I think Dahlin is a better prospect. I think fandom is in a place of “I’ve heard this all before”. Show us. If they came out at the same time, in no world is Dahlin picked ahead of Eichel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 If they came out at the same time, in no world is Dahlin picked ahead of Eichel ... It would be closer than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 If we had draft-ready McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, and Dahlin all available at the same time, the draft would be some amazing television. With what they did in those seasons, and without knowing a team's weaknesses, I think it would go McDavid easy Eichel Matthews DahlinWhere each team thinks they got an absolute steal. If those players were lining up, and four teams with identical situations to ours right now were picking, I think it could go McDavid DahlinMatthews Eichel It's so hard to compare Matthews' season to Jack's and Connor's. Dahlin even moreso just because of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) If they came out at the same time, in no world is Dahlin picked ahead of Eichel Coming out? You're probably right, but they both tick every box. Jack probably a slightly better athlete, but they are both elite Similar sizes, Jack was stronger but Rasmus will probably end up bigger. Jack is a faster, stronger skater but Rasmus has better lateral movement. Jack definitely has a better shot, Rasmus a better touch on his passing. And Jack gets the centre bonus point I prefer Rasmus because he has better hockey IQ and is a better competitor. Edited June 19, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Coming out? You're probably right, but they both tick nearly every box. Jack probably a slightly better athlete, but they are both elite Similar sizes, Jack was stronger but Rasmus will probably end up bigger. Jack is a faster, stronger skater but Rasmus has better lateral movement. Jack definitely has a better shot, Rasmus a better touch on his passing. And Jack gets the centre bonus point I prefer Rasmus because he has better hockey IQ and is a better competitor. I think we're really underestimating the hype Jack had. Also, to say Dahlin has better hockey IQ or is a better competitor is kinda absurd IMO. There's no way of knowing that, and we have 3 years of Jack bias on garbage NHL teams while predicting what Dahlin can do alternatively. Let's see what Dahlin does before saying he's smarter or more driven And the center bonus is massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I think Dahlin can do things at full speed with the puck that Eichel either can't or won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Coming out? You're probably right, but they both tick every box. Jack probably a slightly better athlete, but they are both elite Similar sizes, Jack was stronger but Rasmus will probably end up bigger. Jack is a faster, stronger skater but Rasmus has better lateral movement. Jack definitely has a better shot, Rasmus a better touch on his passing. And Jack gets the centre bonus point I prefer Rasmus because he has better hockey IQ and is a better competitor. This sounds completely accurate. Jack's overall hockey IQ is fine to good, Rasmus looks to understand space like Sid/McD do. I could easily see Rasmus becoming the better NHL player, while acknowledging that Jack's pre-draft season was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I think Dahlin can do things at full speed with the puck that Eichel either can't or won't. It sounds like Dahlin is obsessed with hockey, it defines him, while for Eichel hockey is just something that he does that he's very good at, but it's not the first thing he thinks about when he wakes up. For me, the most intriguing part I've heard about Dahlin is not the skating ability, or how he processes the game, but it's how he respects the game off the ice and fully dedicates himself to the sport. I hope that rubs off on some guys and makes the team better, vs the opposite where he slacks off because he's surrounded by underachievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) I think we're really underestimating the hype Jack had. Also, to say Dahlin has better hockey IQ or is a better competitor is kinda absurd IMO. There's no way of knowing that, and we have 3 years of Jack bias on garbage NHL teams while predicting what Dahlin can do alternatively. Let's see what Dahlin does before saying he's smarter or more driven And the center bonus is massive. When you say hype, you mean from real scouts, as opposed to fans, right? Making a call on competitiveness or IQ is no more absurd than making similar calls about skating or shot. We've all seen Jack give up on plays. We've all seen Jack struggle to find chemistry. From what I've seen of Dahlin, giving up on plays is not in his make-up and he consistently makes the players around him look better than what they are. Much smaller viewings, of course. Wouldn't criticize anyone for preferring Eichel, but I don't. Edited June 19, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 If I were a GM and if a franchise centre and franchise dman are both available I take the dman every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm on the west coast and there is considerable Dahlin hype... at least on par with the Eichel hype IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) It sounds like Dahlin is obsessed with hockey, it defines him, while for Eichel hockey is just something that he does that he's very good at, but it's not the first thing he thinks about when he wakes up. For me, the most intriguing part I've heard about Dahlin is not the skating ability, or how he processes the game, but it's how he respects the game off the ice and fully dedicates himself to the sport. I hope that rubs off on some guys and makes the team better, vs the opposite where he slacks off because he's surrounded by underachievers. Thanks. This, exactly, is what I have been struggling to articulate about Dahlin and why I prefer him to Eichel. Equal skill? Then give me highly motivated hockey nerds every time. Edited June 19, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Eh the only thing I can say about Dahlin > Eichel is that Dahlin will embrace the limelight and the challenge; his quotes from the article I posted show pretty clearly he loves the attention and challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Also remember that Eichel is 6 months older than Dahlin was when he was drafted. That is hugely important in 17 an 18 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) Coming out? You're probably right, but they both tick every box. Jack probably a slightly better athlete, but they are both elite Similar sizes, Jack was stronger but Rasmus will probably end up bigger. Jack is a faster, stronger skater but Rasmus has better lateral movement. Jack definitely has a better shot, Rasmus a better touch on his passing. And Jack gets the centre bonus point I prefer Rasmus because he has better hockey IQ and is a better competitor. This post seems accurate. The bolded is very interesting. The bonus point is there, I think, in the sense that centres generally have easier development curves to predict, right? The trajectory of even top-level prospective d-men is much more difficult to pin down. But in the hypothetical world where both the centre in question, and the d-man reach their ceiling, I’d argue the franchise D-man is even more valuable. So the centre is the safer pick, and therefore arguably the logical pick between the two. But if one is confident in the defenceman in question’s ability to develop along their ideal, or close to ideal, trajectory, you might find even better value within that risk. On a separate note, I believe Jack to have exceptional passing ability, which would have looked even better if accompanied by competent linemates. I’ve heard much the same about Dahlin, but saying one’s is better than the other’s may be splitting hairs, this early. Edit: It’s pretty darn neat to be having a conversation like this about, what will very likely be, 2 Sabres players. Edited June 19, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I think a certified #1C is more important than a #1D, but I think in the context of building a team, those are two spots you need filled either way. Build around those two players however you want, but you need those two players before you can really do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 For the purposes of determining scrimmage attendance, #1C vs #1D is irrelevant. We intentionally tanked for two years, and failed to launch another two, a first overall pick is something people are going to want to see. Why mess around and not open the big house to all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 This is still bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 I can see offering tickets first to STH, then after a period of time opening it up to the general public. Maybe even have a mini-pack holder time period in between. If keeping it in HarborCenter was a hard constraint for some reason (any conflicting concerts in Key Arena for example? I haven't checked) and they really wanted to do it on those dates for some reason, then I get it. But it seems like they could have found a time that would work from a hockey and PR perspective. Would be interesting to know the rationale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) They probably melted the ice and don't have time to freeze it before the tourney. The arena also might not have enough summer staff to get the boards up and down before James Taylor and Bonnie Raitt on the 1st. But I bet they could have done it if they wanted to. BUSH LEAGUE Edited June 21, 2018 by IKnowPhysics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 They probably melted the ice and don't have time to freeze it before the tourney. The arena also might not have enough summer staff to get the boards up and down before James Taylor and Bonnie Raitt on the 1st. But I bet they could have done it if they wanted to. BUSH LEAGUE Oh right, JT and Bonnie Raitt show...I might have thought of that since I AM GOING TO IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 I got a pair of tix to the 3v3 & now both kids that wanted to go have to work Saturday. If someone in Ra-cha-cha wants them, PM me. Seats are general admission (my guess is they all are). Cost - if we end up @ one of the Sabres Space meetups, buy me a beer. If not, don't worry about it. I could try mailing them to someone in Buffalo but doubt they'd get there in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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