LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 I think ppl are underestimating how crowded are blueline has become Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 I think ppl are underestimating how crowded are blueline has become Nobody’s counting on Pilut, Antipin, Nelson and Bogosian playing and Dahlin still feels like a mirage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Nobody’s counting on Pilut, Antipin, Nelson and Bogosian playing and Dahlin still feels like a mirage.I don't think we're in the market for a ufa defender anymore. Not after Pilut and Dahlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 I think ppl are underestimating how crowded are blueline has become Nobody’s counting on Pilut, Antipin, Nelson and Bogosian playing and Dahlin still feels like a mirage. I would trade Beaulieu and Antipin (rights) and buyout Bogosian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Still leaves, Risto, McCabe, Scandella, Nelson, Pilut, Dahlin, Guhle. Nelson is technically a UFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Still leaves, Risto, McCabe, Scandella, Nelson, Pilut, Dahlin, Guhle. How many of those guys are top 4 on a playoff team. Getting the quantity (depth) is a great thing. But 2 subpar defenders doesn't make 1 top 4. We were atrocious defensively last year,things are on the upswing, but I think JBot would gladly add another quality defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 How many of those guys are top 4 on a playoff team. Getting the quantity (depth) is a great thing. But 2 subpar defenders doesn't make 1 top 4. We were atrocious defensively last year,things are on the upswing, but I think JBot would gladly add another quality defender 3 of them. Potentially 4 of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Too 4 on a cup contender I should say. And I mean today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Maybe 5. If Pilut works. Was counting him and Guhle as my 'maybe' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 We have a lot of defensemen, but outside of Dahlin, Scandella, and Risto, they're either Nelson (a 7D that plays 6D with injuries) or freaking terrible. You don't let that number stop you from adding guys that can contribute to winning hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Dahlin, Risto. I think Scandella can definitely fit in a top 4 on a cup contender today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 We have a lot of defensemen, but outside of Dahlin, Scandella, and Risto, they're either Nelson (a 7D that plays 6D with injuries) or freaking terrible. You don't let that number stop you from adding guys that can contribute to winning hockey. Right. It's the same story with out forwards. We have the top end talent, now we need the depth. The good news is, that should be the easy, and faster part to pull off; adding depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Guhle and Pilut are terrible? Guhle should start in Rochester. He can skate fast, and had no idea what he was doing in his own zone for the entirety of his time up here, and I even remember you agreeing with me on that at the time. Pilut? Wut? The guy we haven't signed yet, and nobody has seen a second of outside of one highlight video? We are in the market for any defensive upgrade, with known, ready to play talent, that we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Guhle should start in Rochester. He can skate fast, and had no idea what he was doing in his own zone for the entirety of his time up here, and I even remember you agreeing with me on that at the time. Pilut? Wut? The guy we haven't signed yet, and nobody has seen a second of outside of one highlight video? We are in the market for any defensive upgrade, with known, ready to play talent, that we can get. Which makes trading Ristolainen insane to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 How many man games have we missed on average in the past few seasons. When you look at how good teams develop prospects, usually it's fairly sheltered. With what we have now don't have much choice other then give them minutes they're probably not ready for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) We have a lot of defensemen, but outside of Dahlin, Scandella, and Risto, they're either Nelson (a 7D that plays 6D with injuries) or freaking terrible. You don't let that number stop you from adding guys that can contribute to winning hockey.Bogosian’s warts have been discussed to death and McCabe had a very poor season.But this has become like the Reinhart bashing in December. He has an awful contract and he is not “available” enough, but Bogosian is a legitimate NHL 4/5 in the 60 games he typically plays. More importantly, McCabe looked like a solid 4/5 as well last season before playing the entire year this year hurt. He is 24 and is entering his fourth season. It would be ridiculous to write him off. Falk, Fedun, Tennyson and Gorges are freaking terrible, Antipin and Beaulieu were freaking terrible last year. Guhle and Nelson remain unproven. I don’t want Bogosian and McCabe as my second pair, but they could be a solid third. People talk about them like they’re Messy Balls. Edited April 30, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Bogosian’s warts have been discussed to death and McCabe had a very poor season. But this has become like the Reinhart bashing in December. He has an awful contract and he is not “available” enough, but Bogosian is a legitimate NHL 4/5 in the 60 games he typically plays. For importantly, McCabe looked like a solid 4/5 as well last season before playing the entire year this year hurt. He is 24 and is entering his fourth season. It would be ridiculous to write him off. Falk, Fedun, Tennyson and Gorges are freaking terrible, Antipin and Beaulieu were freaking terrible last year. Guhle and Nelson remain unproven. I don’t want Bogosian and McCabe as my second pair, but they could be a solid third. People talk about them like they’re Messy Balls. Nahhhh...they're terrible. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) One of them will be surprisingly good next season. Guaranteed. (If it’s Bogo, it won’t be for long ????) Edited April 30, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) From the right, it's easier to protect the puck moving to the center as a lefty. Unless you are a guy like Crosby who is dominant on his backhand. Bogosian’s warts have been discussed to death and McCabe had a very poor season. But this has become like the Reinhart bashing in December. He has an awful contract and he is not “available” enough, but Bogosian is a legitimate NHL 4/5 in the 60 games he typically plays. More importantly, McCabe looked like a solid 4/5 as well last season before playing the entire year this year hurt. He is 24 and is entering his fourth season. It would be ridiculous to write him off. Falk, Fedun, Tennyson and Gorges are freaking terrible, Antipin and Beaulieu were freaking terrible last year. Guhle and Nelson remain unproven. I don’t want Bogosian and McCabe as my second pair, but they could be a solid third. People talk about them like they’re Messy Balls. I agree with all of this but Bogosian. He’s freaking terrible. Edited April 30, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 1) McCabe isn't terrible. We have all seen enough good hockey from McCabe to know he is a capable NHL D. 2) Bogo however is terrible. He honestly hasn't played well since 2015-16 and with a further diminished role this season, if he comes back, I highly doubt we get anything out of him. I guess it's possible that this latest surgery fixed the problem and he'll miraculously become the player he was so briefly in 2015-16, but don't count out it. I doubt Jbot is either. It makes no sense to bring him and his $6 mill salary back. It's time to give the younger players a chance. The only thing in Bogo's favor is that he is a RD and with McCabe L, Dahlin L, Guhle L, and Pilut L we could use a R shot or two. Maybe a trade this summer is McCabe for a RD? Like the limited groups of forwards guaranteed to return, I think there are only 3 D guaranteed to be in Buffalo next season - Ristolainen, Scandella and Dahlin. Risto is a young RD who scores 40 pts. You can't replace him in trade. Guhle can still be sent down. Pilut hasn't signed yet. Bogo is injured. McCabe is coming off a mediocre season and on a cheap contract. Baloo was terrible and has only a year left on his deal. Bottomline, even with Dahlin we are still short a top 4 D. Edited April 30, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Bogosian’s warts have been discussed to death and McCabe had a very poor season. But this has become like the Reinhart bashing in December. He has an awful contract and he is not “available” enough, but Bogosian is a legitimate NHL 4/5 in the 60 games he typically plays. More importantly, McCabe looked like a solid 4/5 as well last season before playing the entire year this year hurt. He is 24 and is entering his fourth season. It would be ridiculous to write him off. Falk, Fedun, Tennyson and Gorges are freaking terrible, Antipin and Beaulieu were freaking terrible last year. Guhle and Nelson remain unproven. I don’t want Bogosian and McCabe as my second pair, but they could be a solid third. People talk about them like they’re Messy Balls. No. He's an NHL 4 for about 20 games, and an NHL 6 for about 20, and an NHL 7 for the other 20. Bogosian being hurt all year has made people forget how bad he actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 I am now thinking the Sabres may stay pat on D unless they trade for one of the 2019 UFA defenseman. My personal choice is OEL from Arizona. I would like the top pair of two Swedes OEL and Dahlin. OEL- Dahlin Scandella- Risto McCabe- Nelson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 I am now thinking the Sabres may stay pat on D unless they trade for one of the 2019 UFA defenseman. My personal choice is OEL from Arizona. I would like the top pair of two Swedes OEL and Dahlin. OEL- Dahlin Scandella- Risto McCabe- Nelson What are you giving up for OEL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 What are you giving up for OEL? If he's an RFA it would be a boat load of cash and whatever draft pick compensation goes with the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 If he's an RFA it would be a boat load of cash and whatever draft pick compensation goes with the offer.I believe he's a player under contract for another season before reaching UFA status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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