... Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Will having McDavid give the team a better chance to win the SC than Strome would? Nearly definitely. But noone should believe having McEichel guarantees a SC. And for the most part, the only people making that argument are anti-tankers setting up a strawman. So true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Because we want the best talent we can get and getting a star to lead a group of very good players is the best plan in the eyes of many. It can be extremely important that we finish last and not be about one pick (it was NEVER about one player in this year's draft, it's always been McDavid and Eichel). We want the star to cap off years of gathering fantastic assets. If we went into this season without those players then it would've been a MUST that we finish last and you'd be right... But we have spent years gathering these assets and now it's time to cap off the building. The argument you three are making is confusing to me. What are you ACTUALLY trying to say? This whole thing was about one player or this season? This season, you could say, was. But the entire plan doesn't hinge on one pick. I think THIS SEASON is a major let down if we don't get one of the top two but that doesn't mean the entire plan is a failure. We're set up well for the future either way. We're not arguing against a rebuild. Nobody ever was. Everything else you mentioned is called a rebuild, maybe even getting Reinhart. But we could have tried to get better this year. Ted Black even told us as much (not so wisely IMHO). But continuing to bottom out and assembling a roster to do so is a tank job for only one purpose, to get one (of two) guy, period. You can get "high end talent" just by sucking. This is the one thing that differentiates what the Sabres are doing this year from what every other team does when trying to rebuild. Let's not forget, also, that this quest for 30th talk started before LAST season was even finished, so let's not pretend that getting that one guy only had to do with this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I will be upset if we pick third. "Proven to work" is a pretty big swing. This method isn't proven. It has worked, yes. But hardly enough to be hit-me-over-the-head convincing. If there are no guarantees then why root for the tank? I've found myself agreeing with so much of what you say in regards to things not related to the tank (especially in the politics thread) but I think you're way off here. "'Proven to work' is a pretty big swing... It has worked, yes." That's exactly what he's saying. Proven to work isn't a big swing. It has worked. That's what he was saying. And "if no guarantees then why tank?" Cmon. The same can be said for any strategy. It's a different way than we've been doing for years and years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I am saying this season was about one player, actually 2, but one more than the other, in the 2015 draft. I would be happy if the Sabres drafted 3rd. What a choice to be made in that slot. At 3 and 4 the Sabres would get great talent and a good piece to add to the mix. Both the Hawks and Pens added many very good pieces in addition to their top picks before they made it to the pinnacle. LA took a different route ... the one I prefer, but whatever. Even if the Sabres do get one of the big two in this draft Murray still has a lot of work to do in building a cup contender and, hopefully, a cup champion. Murray has made some good moves, but he still needs to improve the bottom 6 and to add some pieces on D. Probably needs a top 6 winger too. Not too mention something really needs to give in net in order to end the revolving door of backups parading through the locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I am saying this season was about one player, actually 2, but one more than the other, in the 2015 draft. I would be happy if the Sabres drafted 3rd. What a choice to be made in that slot. At 3 and 4 the Sabres would get great talent and a good piece to add to the mix. Both the Hawks and Pens added many very good pieces in addition to their top picks before they made it to the pinnacle. LA took a different route ... the one I prefer, but whatever. Even if the Sabres do get one of the big two in this draft Murray still has a lot of work to do in building a cup contender and, hopefully, a cup champion. Murray has made some good moves, but he still needs to improve the bottom 6 and to add some pieces on D. Probably needs a top 6 winger too. Not too mention something really needs to give in net in order to end the revolving door of backups parading through the locker room. You know you're a Buffalo fan when you'd rather be picking a much worse player just because it's more interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 You know you're a Buffalo fan when you'd rather be picking a much worse player just because it's more interesting... Give it a rest, will ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I'll never accept its all about McEichel. Its ok to hope for the best possible outcome while also recognizing that you might have to merely "settle" for garden variety elite talent, and it wouldn't be the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Data has to be a little thin for high-end NCAA players (compared to CHL players). Not that there aren't any (Toews, Heatley, Vanek, etc.), but Eichel's producing (point-wise) at a higher level than even those few data points. Tough to infer what he's going to be capable of. Troof. Since 2005, the only players to be drafted top-five and make the jump directly from NCAA to a 30+ game NHL season are Jack and Erik Johnson, Toews, Kessel, and JVR, and they were all drafted 2005-2007. That's too few to compare as a stand-alone group, which, even if you could do that, it wouldn't mean much anyways, because Eichel is on an extreme end of that data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Give it a rest, will ya? :huh: Give what a rest? I made one comment like that. And it is notable that you would rather have the third pick just because it's more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 You know you're a Buffalo fan when you'd rather be picking a much worse player just because it's more interesting... Only in Buffalo could a fan with that user name tell us it's just a rebuild. :nana: ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 :huh: Give what a rest? I made one comment like that. And it is notable that you would rather have the third pick just because it's more interesting. Don't play stupid with me, no one is better at it then me. This whole Buffalo sports fan BS. If you really read my post I did not say that I would rather have the 3rd pick. I said, clearly, that I would be happy if the Sabres picked at 3. It would be interesting to see which way the Sabres went with that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I am saying this season was about one player, actually 2, but one more than the other, in the 2015 draft. I would be happy if the Sabres drafted 3rd. What a choice to be made in that slot. At 3 and 4 the Sabres would get great talent and a good piece to add to the mix. Both the Hawks and Pens added many very good pieces in addition to their top picks before they made it to the pinnacle. LA took a different route ... the one I prefer, but whatever. Even if the Sabres do get one of the big two in this draft Murray still has a lot of work to do in building a cup contender and, hopefully, a cup champion. Murray has made some good moves, but he still needs to improve the bottom 6 and to add some pieces on D. Probably needs a top 6 winger too. Not too mention something really needs to give in net in order to end the revolving door of backups parading through the locker room. the bolded is about the only thing I can agree with in this post. Edited March 28, 2015 by Ligerovich 4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 the bolded is about the only thing I can agree with in this post. Well at least there is one thing ....... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotentPowerPlay22 Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 ZERO DOUBLE ZERO!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Well at least there is one thing ....... :P I also liked your sentence structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Only in Buffalo could a fan with that user name tell us it's just a rebuild. :nana: ;) Good thing I've NEVER said it wasn't a tank. You're confusing arguments haha. Don't play stupid with me, no one is better at it then me. This whole Buffalo sports fan BS. If you really read my post I did not say that I would rather have the 3rd pick. I said, clearly, that I would be happy if the Sabres picked at 3. It would be interesting to see which way the Sabres went with that pick. Given the conversation and the fact that others have said they hope we pick third rather than in the top two I assumed you saying you'd be happy if we pick three as an admittance that you would rather that than the top two. While I think that's fair to think considering the context of the conversation it's my bad for assuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Good thing I've NEVER said it wasn't a tank. You're confusing arguments haha. Then you don't know what that word means. Probably why the confusion. Tanks have one purpose, to get the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Given the conversation and the fact that others have said they hope we pick third rather than in the top two I assumed you saying you'd be happy if we pick three as an admittance that you would rather that than the top two. While I think that's fair to think considering the context of the conversation it's my bad for assuming. No worries. This season can't end fast enough, as nerves have worn to an extremely thin thread. Onward to the draft and free agency ... yikes, those events may not help the tension around here ... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Wow. Eff this season. Then you don't know what that word means. Probably why the confusion. Tanks have one purpose, to get the guy. Why is this argument important to people? yeesh just let it die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Wow. Eff this season. Why is this argument important to people? yeesh just let it die. Cuz I'm bored and can't talk about the playoffs, and winning is losing and losing is winning and tanking is rebuilding except when rebuilding is tanking and cheering is booing and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Awesome!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8iUI_ayuo Classic!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 There was this one time in college when I was totally freaking toxic stoned. Out of my mind. Needed my friends to not only walk me home, but also to help me order pizza... I've been exactly that baked. I couldn't order a pizza... Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Tanking is about getting elite talent. We'll never know how much this particular decision to tank was about McDavid and Eichel, but tanking in general with a lottery format is simply not about a single player. No team is dumb enough to stake everything on a 20% chance at best. You want the 20% chance, of course, but you're not going to discard players acquired along the way because they aren't that one player. Does anyone think we're trading Risto, Reinhart and if we miss out, Strome? Of course not. It's not about one guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 You complete me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Awesome!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8iUI_ayuo Classic!! glad I stayed in the thread all the way to this page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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