Claude_Verret Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Sigh. It was never, ever, ever about one player. If it was then DR and GMTM are equally idiotic to set themselves up for an extremely difficult to achieve all or nothing rebuild scenario. Two camps who are convinced they are right and never the twain shall meet. 10 friggin games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I betch'a Capt. Yossarian could figure out who is right here. Oh, wait,… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 No one will ever convince me that this whole BS tank was not about getting one of two *generational* players in the 2015 draft. I hate it, but when the tear down started the above had to be at the root of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I think it's safe to say that for the majority of fans, it's been about one player. The organization is gonna accept their draft position, regardless. And we will no doubt land a good prospect. But there is only one McDeichel. So let's not pretend otherwise. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 We all knew that the run for last should have happened the year McKinnon was drafted. It is no coincidence that the final pieces of the tank were jettisoned this season. McDavid was the goal all along. Anyone who doesn't see that this tank was for a generational guy is fooling themselves. And now it is starting to look like Eichel is best case. Lottery day in here is going to be a fecking zoo. A chit flinging monkey house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) The goal was McEichel just like the goal in 05-07 was the Stanley Cup. Missing out doesn't make it a total failure. Anyone who can't see that is fooling themselves. So there! Edited March 22, 2015 by Claude_Verret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 The goal was McEichel just like the goal in 05-07 was the Stanley Cup. Missing out doesn't make it a total failure. Then it is about a generational player. /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Then it is about a generational player. /thread No it was about Mitch Marner. Of course that's the best outcome, but don't act like its a binary pass/fail situation. It ain't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Do you think the Sabres would have gutted the team this much just for "top talent"? I don't. This was clearly about generational talent. I do. They had no choice but to gut. The return was always speculative at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) No it was about Mitch Marner. Of course that's the best outcome, but don't act like its a binary pass/fail situation. It ain't. If it wasn't about McDavid it would have started the year McKinnon was drafted. They'll take Marner and grin, obviously, but this was a Mcdavid or bust trip. Edited March 22, 2015 by weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 If it wasn't about McDavid it would have started the year McKinnon was drafted. They'll take Marner and grin, obviously, but this was a Mcdavid or bust trip. It did start McKinnons year...way too late and with too much meat left on the roster to finish the job. Thus the subsequent suffering press conference and the two full season shows we have witnessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 It did start McKinnons year...way too late and with too much meat left on the roster to finish the job. Thus the subsequent suffering press conference and the two full season ###### shows we have witnessed. My point exactly. They didn't jettison all of their moveable assets until McDavid was in range. If they wanted McKinnon they could have went after it like Arizona just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 And if McJesus was the goal Rolston would still be coaching the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 My point exactly. They didn't jettison all of their moveable assets until McDavid was in range. If they wanted McKinnon they could have went after it like Arizona just did. Was Darcy actually waiting because he saw McDavid off in the distance, or was he just incredibly slow to enact any sort of plan ever? I feel like it took him almost two full years to jettison the old core from Goose to finally Vanek. And freakin' GMTM had to get rid of Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 And if McJesus was the goal Rolston would still be coaching the Sabres. Not necessarily. Keeping Rolston would have meant keeping Regier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Was Darcy actually waiting because he saw McDavid off in the distance, or was he just incredibly slow to enact any sort of plan ever? I feel like it took him almost two full years to jettison the old core from Goose to finally Vanek. And freakin' GMTM had to get rid of Miller. How quickly did he help Arizona fully tank? The target was always McDavid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Not necessarily. Keeping Rolston would have meant keeping Regierthat is not a logical assumption. Regier could have been tossed and Rolston kept while the gm search was on. If I'm TM and truly wanted to assure the best odds of landing McJesus, Rolston and not TN would be at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 And if McJesus was the goal Rolston would still be coaching the Sabres. Not necessarily. Keeping Rolston would have meant keeping Regier that is not a logical assumption. Regier could have been tossed and Rolston kept while the gm search was on. If I'm TM and truly wanted to assure the best odds of landing McJesus, Rolston and not TN would be at the helm. I think Rolston was actually damaging the team. He seemed to be losing respect in the room. Say what you will about TN, the team seems to respect him. Rolston had to go even if losing was the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 People seem to be conflating the goals here. The team goal is to rebuild with the best players they can get in trades, free agency and the draft, regardless of the draft position, and they will. Obviously, they would prefer to have the top pick, but there is too much out of their control to ensure that outcome. The fan goal is to get the generational player to be your linchpin for the next 15 years. The next Bert or Patty. And Marner et al, just don't cut it in that regard. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 How quickly did he help Arizona fully tank? The target was always McDavid. He's the Assistant GM in Ari, so that's neither here nor there. Darcy was incredibly lackadaisical about the teardown, stretching out the suffering as long as possible. I have very much doubt that he was executing any sort of plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 that is not a logical assumption. Regier could have been tossed and Rolston kept while the gm search was on. If I'm TM and truly wanted to assure the best odds of landing McJesus, Rolston and not TN would be at the helm. You said it yourself; if McDavid was the only goal from this, Rolston would still be coach. Regier clearly wanted a full-blown tank, there's no way he would have gotten rid of Rolston seeing as he was coaching exactly how he wanted. To me, there are different ways to tank. Both are brutal, but could you imagine two years under Regier and Rolston? :death: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 He's the Assistant GM in Ari, so that's neither here nor there. Darcy was incredibly lackadaisical about the teardown, stretching out the suffering as long as possible. I have very much doubt that he was executing any sort of plan. DR was in a psychological quandary as he had to destroy that which he gave birth to. Denial is a bitch. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 People seem to be conflating the goals here. The team goal is to rebuild with the best players they can get in trades, free agency and the draft, regardless of the draft position, and they will. Obviously, they would prefer to have the top pick, but there is too much out of their control to ensure that outcome. The fan goal is to get the generational player to be your linchpin for the next 15 years. The next Bert or Patty. And Marner et al, just don't cut it in that regard. GO SABRES!!! Murray has the rebuild in mind and the ability to do it. Regier only had the tank in mind, and every one of us wouldn't trust him with the other aspects of a rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 He's the Assistant GM in Ari, so that's neither here nor there. Darcy was incredibly lackadaisical about the teardown, stretching out the suffering as long as possible. I have very much doubt that he was executing any sort of plan. there is no doubt in my mind Regier was brought in to facilitate their tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 there is no doubt in my mind Regier was brought in to facilitate their tank. Anybody can tank. Regier was just good at getting deadline day returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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