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You're definitely not wrong. I didn't say Jack was THE problem. Big part of it with his superior leadership, attitude and superior defensive zone play.....yep. But its very possible, both of our takes are true. Good luck Vegas.

While awesome and good.......does this mean Jack was "Buffalo" and truly embraced the city? I never ever ever sensed that and I think a lot of people agreed probably long before the losing got bad. The losing got bad and I know I'm making a judgement without knowing all the facts but it's the internet so....I just believe his attitude and approach contributed heavily to it. Great player no doubt. Not generational and never will be. Bye.

They're going to be picking 11th going to be just fine with me lol.

I'm enjoying the responses in here

Can't wait to read the letter to the fans Jack's agent writes.

Well his career may never be the same and I just keep going back to that. The fact this isn't discussed enough is mind boggling to me.

It was all of it.

No I think you nailed it. But we'll get their first. Protected of course.

"We'll give you our top prospects for him!" ---No one Been distraught reading this thread the last hour. It's over. He isn't going anywhere right now. No team is going to do this especially since they may only have him for 4 seasons of that contract (if he has to miss 2021 or most of it). The only thing that makes sense is Jack is trying to force a trade to a team he wants to go to and that team can win now with or without him but will not give up more then what will be first round picks in the 20s and a few mid to decent prospects. KA might just have to do it. Eichel's team is banking on it. In a weird way because of the injury and salary Jack does have more leverage. And he's deliberately made it worse with the public comments last week.

Cozens. I see his game in Cozens but he's more offensively gifted.

This is the greatest news I've gotten from this team in years. Yes I see his track as a future HC. I'm so hyped. He's my favorite Sabre of all time (him and Hasek and LaLa right there) played the game and handled himself the way I want all players to play. Such great news! All in on Adams he just won a ton of goodwill from me.

The fact his Twitter handle was @JackEichel15 showed poor judgment from the start. I'm a bit shocked he deleted it tho. Did he tweet something that was immediately deleted and that prompted this statement from the agent?

This.

I did say "football guys" which meant NOT Schopp and Parker. I can't even call him that stupid nickname anymore. And by football guys I mean we as fans know they actually love and know the game but also don't make us feel like we're being lectured to daily - you know be actually entertaining. And yes Marty needs to be on frequently.

The Instigators is the best thing on WGR by a mile...not even close. They should be the 3pm show but put 2 football guys with them. A 4 man show.

What did I miss? Jack skate with the Maple Leafs today?

The fact this hasn't happened yet is really bad. A supposed top 5 center in the league is available. And their appears to be no takers - stop with the asking price. These things just get done when a player like this becomes available. So what's up? 1. The injury. He's going to miss over half the season. 2. Jack's resume - often injured. Point per game player. On a perennial loser. Went thru GMs and Coaches like it was nothing. Despite his presence, ROR and he along with a fairly talented roster....absolutely stunk. And ROR forced a trade....essentially. ROR was not upset over the handling of an injury. When you read the beat guys from other teams they allude to "attitude." I have no reason to question this. I think there is something there about him. But he shouldn't be seen as a C. When you stop doing that and figure he needs to be surrounded by people that win and expect his best everyday. 3. The players we want will not want or do not want to be here. Long term extensions or maybe they have flat out said "no way I'm not going to be happy leaving Vegas or the Wild to come here. 4. Experienced GMs are trying to get KA to drop his price. He cannot do so.

We keep Eichel he gets the surgery misses all of 2021. Ultimate Stealth tank league knows its so bad we'll need Wright to save this franchise. Core for 2022-23: Eichel Wright Casey Cozens Quinn Olof Artuu Skinner Dahlin Power Joki Johnson Bryson UPL Playoffs in 2022. Ultimate fast track plan. I'm bored.

No one especially the teams that didn't make the playoffs this year are trading us an unprotected 1st round pick in 2022. There is ZERO chance. The first reason is if Jack needs surgery he is out half the season. Maybe more. Good luck making the playoffs so you're a Lotto team. If he is ready to go from the start that still won't mean that team is playoff bound. This injury situation is just a complete disaster I think not enough people are acknowledging because of the implications. And I have no reason to think it might actually be worse then we're bring told - KA keeps referring (God please stop talking about it) to the surgery as "never been done." And the news that has me just completely dejected is the report yesterday Jack still wants the surgery and that there are different kinds he can opt for. Peak trade value is completely sunk. Teams know we need to trade him this year or the no movement kicks in - meaning that if the surgery doesn't get him to the player he was, they are "stuck." How this team has handled this behind the scenes and in public in the last year is mind boggling (reports we explored a deal last year - how can we let that news slip out). This is going to be bad unless we add something to the deal. Probably 50 cents on the dollar.

"They wouldn’t comment further about Eichel’s status. He’s skating, but it’s believed he will still need surgery — although the Sabres haven’t approved his preferred choice, a disc replacement." What team is trading us legit value with this situation? You've got to be kidding me

Very true. He should have been a Sabre. East Coast team and exposure. Best fan base in the league. 15K go see him play in Juniors. It was supposed to be - I think the FO and Terry got sucked in to that without understanding its very likely to NOT happen.

I wonder how much they convinced themselves they were going to get McDavid, and the sting of that kind of lurking around. Maybe it bristled Jack and thus always doomed from the start. TM's reaction on Lotto night always irked me still does to this day. They just seemed so convinced - like you have to be saying going into the season and then the Lotto - look, we're going to get a great player. We have stock piled picks and assets to start a new era. Eichel or McDavid, it doesn't matter he's just one piece albeit an important one. I'm just mussing out loud here trying to figure out how it all went wrong. In reality it was a bunch of things stacked up on each other.

No doubt and a handful of other guys Scandella, Skinner I didn't think needed mentioning I was just referencing the ones we are trading. Collectively just wasn't right and they did themselves no favors.

Sam's character on full display today. "I don't know why I didn't get a long term deal." But if we trust Adams isn't lying....Sam was never staying beyond this season. This organization is a disaster. But let's stop avoiding calling out some of these players for what they are and what they failed to do here. As I said before, for having ROR Jack Sam and Risto.....and not sniff the playoffs, it's got to get blown up, the culture you can't measure with a computer in that room was atrocious. Sam and to a much larger extent Jack failed the team and the city. They should grow the heck up and own it on their way out of town. The organization may deserve their scorn if it makes them feel better but the fans don't deserve to hear anything other then "yea we failed 3 GMs and 4 coaches....we needed to do more and we let them down." Bye. So looking forward to this reset.

If the AAV is over 9 million that's why he didn't get a long term deal. I like Sam. But he's not worth that. He's a great 3rd line player on a Stanley Cup team. He will not be a top 6 player on a Cup team Zero chance. He was a top 6 player here and we didn't even sniff the playoffs with him and Jack and ROR. The end. Time to move on.