Quinn Hughes traded to Minnesota

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

I’m still not convinced that Tage and Dahlin aren’t part of the problem 

Interesting.  What's Sabres record without Dahlin in the lineup over the last 2 years ? 

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Based on the defenseman in that division the Central should be renamed the Norris Division 

  Different than the old Chuck Norris division. 

[Stads]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Well... 

 

Intriguing

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Well... 

 

I think the Sabres interest was probably very little. Sure there might have been a phone call but Hughes coming here would have been the same as if he stayed in Vancouver. No way he would sign here so it would have been crazy to give up anything meaningful to rent him. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Jorcus said:

I think the Sabres interest was probably very little. Sure there might have been a phone call but Hughes coming here would have been the same as if he stayed in Vancouver. No way he would sign here so it would have been crazy to give up anything meaningful to rent him. 

At least they asked, and they probably gauged the interest level in signing to be sure. I'd love to know the package offered, if it got that far.

Edited 19 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[Broken Ankles]

13 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't like the return. Rossi is good. Ohgren, Buium, and a 2026 1st are all mystery boxes. 

If you're trading Dahlin, I need something like 2026 1st, Sam Dickinson,  Will Smith. Igor Chernysov. Some will be mad I'm not saying more established players but that's never how these trades work. 

The SJS have drafted forwards the past 5 years. Centers 4 of the 5.  If Misa hits, they will not want to pay three centers top dollar.  If this team faces an ultimatum from Rasmus, then Smith would be an ideal return and  what the Sabres need in terms of a top line scoring.  Would hate to part with a blue chip D-man but I agree, the return cannot be lottery picks. 

[Jorcus]

I think any conversation would have started with our unprotected 1st plus Byram or Power then 1 or 2 other assets. The draft pick would give them an extra shot at McKenna probably. I don't see why we do it without a commitment.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

Ummmmm

The Sabres should have Tuch in that category if the ask is 7 years at $11 million plus 

I don't know what the Tuch contract situation is. He may just ride it out and put himself on the market to sign with another team that will put him in a better hockey situation. The sad and embarrassing reality is that the Sabres are one of the top teams most cited on NMCs. Most high-end players have no interest in coming here, and to make it even worse, the downtrodden Sabres have an ignominious history of their better players wanting out of this cesspool. This franchise created its own crippling stench. 

[DarthEbriate]

The Wild are all-in. Fun target for Tuch....

The problem is they've got NTCs and NMCs like they don't have palm trees. Tarasenko has a M-NTC (signed from Yzerman). But they definitely need an upgrade from Tarasenko or Marcus Johansson in their top 6 if they really want to get past Colorado.

 

[PASabreFan]

12 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

Interesting.  What's Sabres record without Dahlin in the lineup over the last 2 years ? 

Like I said, you can lose with him and you can lose without him.

[St. Pete Gogolak]

As a thought experiment, what would a Sabres trade for Hughes have looked like?  Power or Byram, Tuch (assuming he signs long term with Canucks), Rosen, Östlund or Helenius and unprotected #1, assuming Hughes signs long term with Sabres. Would you be pro or con for something along those lines?

[JohnC]

14 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

Interesting.  What's Sabres record without Dahlin in the lineup over the last 2 years ? 

The Sabres' record with Eichel and Reinhart and without was not too sterling. They got dealt and ended up with their names on the Cup, Reinhart for multiple times. The lesson to be learned is that improving the overall talent base of the team is the right course to take rather than setting yourself further back by getting rid of your best players who end up being good players on championship caliber teams. 

 

1 hour ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:

As a thought experiment, what would a Sabres trade for Hughes have looked like?  Power or Byram, Tuch (assuming he signs long term with Canucks), Rosen, Östlund or Helenius and unprotected #1, assuming Hughes signs long term with Sabres. Would you be pro or con for something along those lines?

You offer an interesting proposition. However, what are the odds that Hughes agrees to sign a long-term deal with the Sabres? It's very unlikely. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:

As a thought experiment, what would a Sabres trade for Hughes have looked like?  Power or Byram, Tuch (assuming he signs long term with Canucks), Rosen, Östlund or Helenius and unprotected #1, assuming Hughes signs long term with Sabres. Would you be pro or con for something along those lines?

That's so much more than Vancouver just got. 

Power and Byram are more established than Buium. Tuch I guess is the Rossi comparable. The 3 prospects are at or better than Ohgren. And finally you give up an unprotected 1st on the worst team in the east, all for a guy you don't even need. Cons are you're years away from contending and just trading a bunch of stuff for a 5'10" lhd who plays the same roll as Dahlin.

The pros are... you made changes? Hughes is pretty good offensively?

[Jorcus]

58 minutes ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:

As a thought experiment, what would a Sabres trade for Hughes have looked like?  Power or Byram, Tuch (assuming he signs long term with Canucks), Rosen, Östlund or Helenius and unprotected #1, assuming Hughes signs long term with Sabres. Would you be pro or con for something along those lines?

We could have put a package together to make the trade. Our first is worth more than the Wild first. Then it's Byram or Power. The third piece would be a center. Maybe Kulich or Östlund. I think that is just as much as what they got from the wild. Even if the Sabres were assured about signing Hughes to a contract I don't see how it would of worked with two Alpha D men in the room. Are you taking Dahlin off the first unit power play? Not really seeing how the puzzle fits together in this case. 

[Crusader1969]

2 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Like I said, you can lose with him and you can lose without him.

I look at it like you don't even have a chance to win without him.  Big difference 

[inkman]

15 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

Interesting.  What's Sabres record without Dahlin in the lineup over the last 2 years ? 

What’s their record with him?

[PASabreFan]

17 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I look at it like you don't even have a chance to win without him.  Big difference 

I'm not proposing we deal him and Kevyn for a bag of tattered jock straps.

[inkman]

 

[Crusader1969]

26 minutes ago, inkman said:

What’s their record with him?

22 minutes ago, inkman said:

What’s their record with him?

Last season they were 36-32-5.   That’s .527 win%    This season they are 13-11-4 or .536

overall that’s .530%

Without him .083

help me out, which is better.  .530% or .083%?

32 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

I'm not proposing we deal him and Kevyn for a bag of tattered jock straps.

You probably thought trading Samson and Jack was a good idea too

[PerreaultForever]

This is the moment where a good GM gets on the phone and calls all those teams who were supposedly in on Hughes and says "sorry you didn't get your guy but can I interest you in an Owen Power or Bo Byram as a plan B?" That other team who really felt they needed a mobile puck moving D man might overpay with some of those pieces they'd already offered for Hughes and thus mentally had already seen their team without them.  But that's what an actual GM would do. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

You probably thought trading Samson and Jack was a good idea too

Are you really going to be revisionist and pretend they had a choice? Eichel was pissed off about the neck surgery and wanted out and Reinhart was going to walk at the end of his deal. They had no choice. The failure of the organization is failing to build a proper roster around two extremely high draft picks (among others) over the years before. 

[Crusader1969]

8 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Are you really going to be revisionist and pretend they had a choice? Eichel was pissed off about the neck surgery and wanted out and Reinhart was going to walk at the end of his deal. They had no choice. The failure of the organization is failing to build a proper roster around two extremely high draft picks (among others) over the years before. 

100% agree.   I don't agree that they should be trading Dahlin 

[PerreaultForever]

8 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

100% agree.   I don't agree that they should be trading Dahlin 

I wouldn't trade Dahlin either - unless he has privately said he wants out and has had enough. Then you might not have a choice. I wondered when they tore it down with Eichel and Reinhart if Dahlin had too much losing stink on him and maybe should have been dealt as well for that reason but if he truly wants to stay then no, I don't trade him.

I will say this, Dahlin has a nasty side to him and if this was a bigger, stronger, meaner team where he felt safe and protected at all times I think he'd be a beast. As is he plays a little more restrained at times. That's just my opinion of course. 

Power got too much money that's the problem there. Paid for future performance but so far that future performance hasn't emerged. Might be tough to find a team that'll believe they can bring it out of him. Philly apparently called about Byram in the summer. They also wanted Hughes. I'm looking hard at them for Byram if it's me in charge. No idea who or what might be available from them though.