Best Defenseman In The NHL?

[bob_sauve28]

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[_Q_]

Just think, Power is two years of perpetual beatdown younger.

[Indabuff]

[#freejame]

The numbers match the eyes. He’s been very good and everything he was always supposed to be. 

[Pimlach]

Great to see this. 

[EM88]

1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

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Where those numbers come from, I would like to see them for the rest of the top 4, meaning Dahlin, Bryam, and Power.

[bob_sauve28]

6 minutes ago, EM88 said:

Where those numbers come from, I would like to see them for the rest of the top 4, meaning Dahlin, Bryam, and Power.

I don't know. I saw it on reddit, looked it up on X, formerly known as twitter, and passed it along. 

[Stads]

1 hour ago, _Q_ said:

Just think, Power is two years of perpetual beatdown younger.

Who thinks he'll put up a season like Muel in two years?

[#freejame]

3 minutes ago, Stads said:

Who thinks he'll put up a season like Muel in two years?

I’m no fan of Power and would be fine with moving him but I think it’s more likely than not that Power will be a significantly better defenseman at 25 than Samuellson

[Pimlach]

13 minutes ago, #freejame said:

I’m no fan of Power and would be fine with moving him but I think it’s more likely than not that Power will be a significantly better defenseman at 25 than Samuellson

Why do you think this?  

And if he does become better in two seasons than Muel is right in now then why would you even think of moving him?  He will finally be worthy of his contract.  

[_Q_]

Defensemen take time.  A couple more years in the weight room and Power becomes a man and finds his edge, we would look like fools trading him now.  Sure it is possible he never gets there, but you are looking at a 1 year transformation for Mule who was largely dismissed by this board, and Power couldn’t do the same?.

[Wyldnwoody44]

Before injuries, we saw Muel sort of do this... Healthy now, we are seeing it again. With Power, not once was he ever a good Defensive DMan.. 

So no, I don't think power needs more time... He needs a new team.

Get what you can once a decent GM is in place. 

[#freejame]

29 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Why do you think this?  

And if he does become better in two seasons than Muel is right in now then why would you even think of moving him?  He will finally be worthy of his contract.  

In my opinion Power’s greatest issues come from pace of play and not being able to slow the game down mentally enough. He has shown himself capable of doing things that young defensemen typically struggle with, particularly as spacing is concerned, but he’s still getting turned around in the defensive zone.
 

I think NHL GMs recognize this and still value him as a piece with immense upside. If that’s the case, which is might not be, then he should be able to command a significant trade package, or at least a Will Smith caliber player. With Tuch likely leaving, we need to add more to the offense. On top of that, I’m also tired of waiting. If Power becomes great elsewhere and whomever we acquire is a strong piece that can help us on a deep run then it’s a win-win. 

[GoPuckYourself]

59 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

Defensemen take time.  A couple more years in the weight room and Power becomes a man and finds his edge, we would look like fools trading him now.  Sure it is possible he never gets there, but you are looking at a 1 year transformation for Mule who was largely dismissed by this board, and Power couldn’t do the same?.

I don't think I can put up with a couple of more years of watchign Power float around, not hitting anyone, barely playing defense, I just don't think I can do it.

[_Q_]

4 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

I don't think I can put up with a couple of more years of watchign Power float around, not hitting anyone, barely playing defense, I just don't think I can do it.

It for sure is frustrating.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, _Q_ said:

Defensemen take time.  A couple more years in the weight room and Power becomes a man and finds his edge, we would look like fools trading him now.  Sure it is possible he never gets there, but you are looking at a 1 year transformation for Mule who was largely dismissed by this board, and Power couldn’t do the same?.

No he won't. 

[LGR4GM]

Owen Power is a decent #3 defender who can run your #1 pp and can play 20 mins a night without hurting you much. He's solid defensively but bad along the walls. His passing is very good. He's never going to be a guy who uses his body to leverage positions or move players. He's never going to be aggressive enough at the blueline. Power is a good player, he's not gonna be an elite player. 

[_Q_]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Owen Power is a decent #3 defender who can run your #1 pp and can play 20 mins a night without hurting you much. He's solid defensively but bad along the walls. His passing is very good. He's never going to be a guy who uses his body to leverage positions or move players. He's never going to be aggressive enough at the blueline. Power is a good player, he's not gonna be an elite player. 

I think that is fair.  However tall skinny kids take time.  See Tage.  It takes longer to pack on lbs and strength and figure out how to use their body.  If he ever does, he could be an elite D.

[Believer]

2 hours ago, Stads said:

Who thinks he'll put up a season like Muel in two years?

Power can if he wants to. 

He has the tools and the skills

His desire and commitment are the unknowns.

Samuelson proved his desire and commitment this past offseason.

Leadership by example.

Power? Your turn?

 

[pi2000]

Muel making a serious argument for Team USA 😳

[Carmel Corn]

54 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

I think that is fair.  However tall skinny kids take time.  See Tage.  It takes longer to pack on lbs and strength and figure out how to use their body.  If he ever does, he could be an elite D.

IMHO - it's not about strength and pounds for Power, but rather how he's wired inside his head.  If Power played with half the aggression and tenacity as say Z. Benson does, we would not be having this conversation.  Size does not matter for Power, which is a shame in that he'll never take advantage of it.  

If he was only 6-0 tall (vs. 6-5), I don't think he would have been drafted in the top 5, let alone first overall.  I hope I'm wrong, but for now I don't expect to see much improvement vs. what we have already seen.  I was WRONG about Muel, so maybe I'll be wrong about Power 😉

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[pi2000]

59 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Owen Power is a decent #3 defender who can run your #1 pp and can play 20 mins a night without hurting you much. He's solid defensively but bad along the walls. His passing is very good. He's never going to be a guy who uses his body to leverage positions or move players. He's never going to be aggressive enough at the blueline. Power is a good player, he's not gonna be an elite player. 

He just turned 23 a few days ago.  Do you believe he's still developing?  Or has he plateaued and this is who he is?

Edited 1 hour ago by pi2000

[LGR4GM]

51 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

I think that is fair.  However tall skinny kids take time.  See Tage.  It takes longer to pack on lbs and strength and figure out how to use their body.  If he ever does, he could be an elite D.

Thompson played about 160 games b4 his breakout season. 

Power is already at 250+ games. He's never in college or the NHL used his body. He's not skinny and he's plenty strong. You can't train away the issues Power has. 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

Muel making a serious argument for Team USA 😳

Are players that weren't invited to their camp even eligible?

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

At 23, do you believe he's still developing?  Or has he plateaued?

Idk, let's say he develops another 15%, how good would that make him.