UPL assigned to Rochester for conditioning

[LGR4GM]

 

 

[ponokasabre]

14 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

 

Zac Jones going down, does this mean Kesserling is good to go? or does it mean Bryson is good to go. 1 of them would have to be ready

[DarthEbriate]

6 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

Zac Jones going down, does this mean Kesserling is good to go? or does it mean Bryson is good to go. 1 of them would have to be ready

We know it's Bryson. It's always about Bryson. 😇

 

Luukkonen as expected. He still needs a preseason. I would like to see what they have in Ellis before just waiving him back for St. Louis to claim. We checked him out of the library and never even opened the cover.

[Brawndo]

UPL probably gets the next two home games tomorrow and Friday. 
 

I need to see what Colton Ellis can do, as I do not trust UPL’s Hips 

[Jorcus]

11 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

Zac Jones going down, does this mean Kesserling is good to go? or does it mean Bryson is good to go. 1 of them would have to be ready

Maybe they are going to keep exposing Jones to waivers until someone claims him. Maybe there are too many players named Zac on the team for Ruff to keep track of.  I expect they are making room for Greenway. 

[matter2003]

Let him stay down there

38 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

We know it's Bryson. It's always about Bryson. 😇

 

Luukkonen as expected. He still needs a preseason. I would like to see what they have in Ellis before just waiving him back for St. Louis to claim. We checked him out of the library and never even opened the cover.

Let me tell you about Maxine!

 

[mansquito]

25 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Let him stay down there

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Literally no use for UPL. It's time for moving on! Lyon is more than capable until you find a bonafide #1 that can steal games for you! If they just start him after the stint in Rochester... they are even more worthless than I thought!

[shrader]

2 hours ago, Jorcus said:

Maybe they are going to keep exposing Jones to waivers until someone claims him. Maybe there are too many players named Zac on the team for Ruff to keep track of.  I expect they are making room for Greenway. 

He doesn’t have to go on waivers again unless he’s been on the NHL roster for 30 days or has played in 10 games. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

UPL probably gets the next two home games tomorrow and Friday. 
 

I need to see what Colton Ellis can do, as I do not trust UPL’s Hips 

So we got this kid from St. Louis, he comes here thinking oh wow I'm going to get an opportunity to play and show my stuff and they don't play him a single game? They could have just kept Georgiev for that. And then they wonder why people don't want to come to Buffalo. 

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, mansquito said:

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Literally no use for UPL. It's time for moving on! Lyon is more than capable until you find a bonafide #1 that can steal games for you! If they just start him after the stint in Rochester... they are even more worthless than I thought!

Alex Lyon will soon be 33 and the most games he has played in a pro-season is 47 when he was an AHL rookie.  The most in the NHL is 44 and he was decent that year with a .904 save % and a 21-18-5 record. He has never had an NHL season approaching UPL's 23-24 season, where UPL had 54 starts, and a .910 save %.  I have no idea if UPL will get things turned around,  but I'm not sure why some are so quick to give up on him. 

[Porous Five Hole]

34 minutes ago, shrader said:

He doesn’t have to go on waivers again unless he’s been on the NHL roster for 30 days or has played in 10 games. 

If the Sabres don’t want to carry three goalies, then Ellis would go to waivers.  The 30 day rule is that Ellis can be immediately reclaimed by the Blues AND be sent directly to the AHL.
 

If the Sabres waive him after 30 days, anyone can put a claim in and put Ellis on their NHL roster.  

[shrader]

12 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

If the Sabres don’t want to carry three goalies, then Ellis would go to waivers.  The 30 day rule is that Ellis can be immediately reclaimed by the Blues AND be sent directly to the AHL.
 

If the Sabres waive him after 30 days, anyone can put a claim in and put Ellis on their NHL roster.  

The post I responded to was about Zac Jones.

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29 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Alex Lyon will soon be 33 and the most games he has played in a pro-season is 47 when he was an AHL rookie.  The most in the NHL is 44 and he was decent that year with a .904 save % and a 21-18-5 record. He has never had an NHL season approaching UPL's 23-24 season, where UPL had 54 starts, and a .910 save %.  I have no idea if UPL will get things turned around,  but I'm not sure why some are so quick to give up on him. 

Because in 22-23 with 33 GP he had a .892, and in 24-25 with 55 GP he had a .887.  For his career he's .898. He's also a miserable sod.

Lyon is .904 for his career and lights up the room.

[matter2003]

48 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

So we got this kid from St. Louis, he comes here thinking oh wow I'm going to get an opportunity to play and show my stuff and they don't play him a single game? They could have just kept Georgiev for that. And then they wonder why people don't want to come to Buffalo. 

What exactly is a single game going to show us?  Next to nothing meaningful.

[Porous Five Hole]

35 minutes ago, shrader said:

The post I responded to was about Zac Jones.

[K-9]

3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

So we got this kid from St. Louis, he comes here thinking oh wow I'm going to get an opportunity to play and show my stuff and they don't play him a single game? They could have just kept Georgiev for that. And then they wonder why people don't want to come to Buffalo. 

Lyon has simply not given Ellis an opening as of yet. Can’t blame Lindy for staying with him. I’m sure Ellis will get one of the two Leafs games this weekend. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Meanwhile at the Rochester goalie rotation...

[DarthEbriate]

Now that Luukkonen is starting his rehab stint (which has been known as the plan for the last month since he missed most of training camp and all but one period of preseason) -- it reopens the questions around the number of goalies they have under contract.

Ellis has gotten 0 games -- Lyon has been great, but now your backup goaltender hasn't played in over 2 weeks -- and his next game will be his NHL debut and first ever on the ice with these defensemen. It's small potatoes, but it also has impacts with future trades/GM interactions, because STL had him lined up for a heavy workload and development with their AHL starting gig. If they get the chance to re-claim him, you've shafted him a month of development. They're likely less worried that you claimed him and more concerned that you're wasting his time. GMs are a small group and they're seeing you waste assets. Agents see this, too. Ellis' agent is increasing his Buffalo tax for any other future clients.

Georgiev has gotten 1 game -- because he didn't report to Rochester immediately. Leinonen has gotten 1 game, because Georgiev didn't report to ROC immediately.

Levi has only 2 GP, which makes sense because they were both back-to-backs thus far, but now you're also impacting his development time because Luukkonen has to get reps to resume his #1 (or #2 behind Lyon) status with Buffalo.

Ratzlaff has played 1 game with Jacksonville, but now will likely have his workload cut while Luukkonen is in ROC, which presumably would force Leinonen down to the ECHL.

This all goes back to:

• Why did the preseason goalie signing (whoever it was) get a contract instead of a PTO? If it's an Adams Tax, then you call someone else. (Or hire a real GM.)
• With a light slate to start the season in Rochester, why not let Levi be the backup in Buffalo? Maybe shuffle him once so he gets opening night with the Amerks and a free start in there, but otherwise get his GP in Buffalo until Luukkonen is fully healthy and proven ready to go.
• Why bother to claim Ellis?

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

 

• Why did the preseason goalie signing (whoever it was) get a contract instead of a PTO? If it's an Adams Tax, then you call someone else. (Or hire a real GM.)
• With a light slate to start the season in Rochester, why not let Levi be the backup in Buffalo? Maybe shuffle him once so he gets opening night with the Amerks and a free start in there, but otherwise get his GP in Buffalo until Luukkonen is fully healthy and proven ready to go.
• Why bother to claim Ellis?

1) Maybe Georgiev wouldn't come for a PTO.

2) That could happen still.

3) Because he might be pretty good? I hope we see him a few times.

Right now the Sabres have at least one, maybe two goalies they could flip in trade.

 

[K-9]

I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if UPL ends up getting waived eventually. 

[French Collection]

I think Ellis was claimed on October 6th so I wonder if they can stall UPL in Rochester for 2 weeks so that Ellis doesn’t have to be sent down. Play him a couple of games and maybe he turns out to be better than UPL. You don’t know until you try.

[LGR4GM]

38 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if UPL ends up getting waived eventually. 

I would unless Adams goes first. 

[PerreaultForever]

7 hours ago, matter2003 said:

What exactly is a single game going to show us?  Next to nothing meaningful.

So why claim him at all? All it accomplishes is annoying Georgiev. 

5 hours ago, K-9 said:

Lyon has simply not given Ellis an opening as of yet. Can’t blame Lindy for staying with him. I’m sure Ellis will get one of the two Leafs games this weekend. 

I would hope so. They are going to burn Lyon out this way. 

[matter2003]

11 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

So why claim him at all? All it accomplishes is annoying Georgiev. 

I would hope so. They are going to burn Lyon out this way. 

Clearly they feel he is better than Georgiev, who has sucked for multiple seasons now, and sucked in the chances he got here as well.  

[DarthEbriate]

14 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

1) Maybe Georgiev wouldn't come for a PTO.

2) That could happen still.

3) Because he might be pretty good? I hope we see him a few times.

Right now the Sabres have at least one, maybe two goalies they could flip in trade.

 

1) So don't sign Georgiev. Call Reimer and when he says "No thanks, I'm better than UPL anyway", then call the next guy on the rolodex. If you only need a camp body, don't waste the contract. Keep calling around -- you can always claim someone (Ellis) off waivers at the season's beginning as well if end up liking them more.

2) They have made it abundantly clear they are not calling up Levi in the first half of this season. Ellis, waiver-passing Georgiev, and the planned tandem are all ahead of him

3) Sure, starting tonight. Maybe. He could benefit from no NHL tape on him and get one of those new guy great starts. Or, he could look like an AHL goalie who hasn't played in 2 weeks facing off against the hottest team in the conference.

4) Except Lyon, their goalies have no trade value right now. Partially because of their extreme surplus on the roster and partially because goalies in general have low trade value unless they're a proven stud. The most recent goalie trade was Pheonix Copley -- established AHL starter for 10 seasons, same NHL career sv % as Luukkonen (tweener level backup) -- for future considerations. The trade market is to give them away.