Report: Sabres sign Bowen Byram to a two year 6.25 million dollar AAV contract extension

[Huckleberry]

9 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

@dudacek some context? (but not really.)

 

Yup , and I got heat in another thread for saying Owen Power was better, advanced stats showed that long time ago.

4 minutes ago, Stads said:

How are we in the middle of the pack for cap space remaining? Our roster is not representative of a team with only 7.39 million left (which won't be used anyway). Make it make sense. I know you can't but I'm losing it man!

Isn't Skinner on the books for like 6 mill this year ? 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

 

And somebody had said here about a week ago that Byram's agent is pretty notorious for getting his players to UFA status at the earliest date possible.  Add that into the mix and the deal looks better from the Sabres perspective.

[Jorcus]

I like the signing. I like watching Byram play. I think he is going to improve going forward. One thing keeps crossing my mind. Now that Power has his RHD to play with what if he is the same guy as last year? I hope he is not but if we off loaded Byram and we are still disappointed with Powers play what would our next move be? With Byram we still have the option of trading Power if it came to that. At least we have another year or so to find out unless a great trade comes along. 

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, Stads said:

How are we in the middle of the pack for cap space remaining? Our roster is not representative of a team with only 7.39 million left (which won't be used anyway). Make it make sense. I know you can't but I'm losing it man!

They gave Greenway 2million more than he's worth, gave Samuelsson 2mil more than he's worth, gave UPL 2mil more than he's worth, and gave Quinn about 1mil more than he's worth. There's about 7million in overpayment. 

4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yup , and I got heat in another thread for saying Owen Power was better, advanced stats showed that long time ago.

Isn't Skinner on the books for like 6 mill this year ? 

Oh yea and the 4.44 for Skinner this year. 6.4mil is next year.

[LGR4GM]

Speaking of Greenway... he's basically JAG and idk why they gave him 2 years unless he's one of the vet leaders in that locker room. He gives you no offense really and just a minor level of defense. 

 

[dudacek]

To me, all the noise about Byram was just that: noise.

Adams didn't really want to trade him.

Byram didn't really want to be traded

Byram's agent worked the system real hard to create a market for a big, long-term deal for him somewhere.

it didn't work.mostly because he hasn't earned it — the contract, or the acquisition price — in the eyes of NHL GMs.

So he took option B, which was getting him to UFA as quickly as possible for another shot at a big payday.

Nothing to really see here except an agent doing his job.

[jad1]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Speaking of Greenway... he's basically JAG and idk why they gave him 2 years unless he's one of the vet leaders in that locker room. He gives you no offense really and just a minor level of defense. 

 

Because excitement.  When January rolls around, and Jordan is returning from spending 15 days on IR, Ruff is going to return him to the lineup on the first line.  And everyone is going to get revved up about the concept of Greenway.  He'll then play 3 shifts, get injured again, and the fans will have to put their Greenway enthusiasm on hold  until March.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

or less

If Timmins gets to the arbitrator I doubt it 

[That Aud Smell]

30 minutes ago, Taro T said:

???

Did NOT say they need to trade Byram to bring that F in.  There are still a few guys in FA that might fit the bill, though their price tags may be too steep for the Sabres at this point without an ancillary move such as trading Samuelsson happening.  Or they could trade prospects and picks to a team looking to be in the McKenna derby such as the Pens for a guy that still has some hockey left such as Rust.

Had they traded Byram for a F, the post would've stated that they still need to bring a veteran D-man into the fold.  

lol - i was just sorta chirping Inkie - saying that the new middle 6 forward and the new power play coach were not the inventions of WGR or other Sabres media (but were instead things that educated fans have been calling for).

[dudacek]

11 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If Timmins gets to the arbitrator I doubt it 

Conor Timmins has played more than 40 NHL games in a season once in his career, and averaged less than 16 minutes a night for his career. He doesn't have any counting stats of any type to support his case. His career underlyings are solid, but in a bottom-of-the-roster kinda way.

I doubt he will get to arbitration because I can't imagine his agent thinking he's got a good case.

He made $1.1M last year and i'm not sure how he justifies a raise.

I'm kinda expecting the Sabres to buy a year free agency and he signs for 2 years at a $1.5M AAV.

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Edited 8 hours ago by dudacek

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

Conor Timmins has played more than 40 NHL games in a season once in his career, and averaged less than 16 minutes a night for his career. His career underlyings are solid, but in a bottom-of-the-roster kinda way.

I doubt he will get to arbitration because I can't imagine his agent thinking he's got a good case.

He made $1.1M last year and i'm not sure how he justifies a raise.

I'm kinda expecting the Sabres to buy a year free agency and he signs for 2 years at a $1.5M AAV.

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Yeah, kind of expecting his contract to be ~$1.5MM and Levi's to be ~$1.5MM with the 1st year being a 2 way deal.  (Which will THRILL Lyon most certainly, but where Levi sits as possibly being the future expect him to get a deal with similar money.)

[Weave]

41 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Not sure if he necessarily wants to be the #1 D-man or just wants to be paid like one.  Because unless his play improves quite a bit, he's not going to be the #1 on many teams, and it's doubtful any of them would be true contenders (because those teams don't have a really good D-man already) though they might have a fantastic goalie or stacked F's.  Suppose he could be the #1 guy on a team like the Loafs which are at least on paper contenders; but they spend their money so heavily on F's they aren't actual contenders and likely wouldn't pay him like a true #1 D because they tie so much up on their F's.

He does already have his name on a SC, so that might not be as burning a desire for him as it might be for some others.  So, maybe there is more of a drive to be "the man."  But personally, believe it's more of a case of him wanting to get paid.

I think what he really wants is the #1PP defenseman minutes so he can get all those sweet, sweet stat padding points.

Which turns into money, which is your primary point.

That can happen here if the coaching staff decides to think for themselves and put 2D, 3F on our powerplay.

[French Collection]

Just now, Weave said:

That can happen here if the coaching staff decides to think for themselves and put 2D, 3F on our powerplay.

They should try it, I think it could work.

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

more from JFresh

 

The Montour comp has been one I've been touting for a while.

Pretty similar play style, pretty similar strengths and weaknesses to his game.

He's still learning the NHL game and his limitations in it but his likely role is competent offence-first #3D and with the right focus and a little luck he could become the Toews to Dahlin's Makar.

if he gets some PP time while playing a regular shift with Dahlin — which should be the obvious choice — he's probably going to have himself a good year and start convincing GMs to pay his price.

Edited 8 hours ago by dudacek

[Archie Lee]

51 minutes ago, Stads said:

How are we in the middle of the pack for cap space remaining? Our roster is not representative of a team with only 7.39 million left (which won't be used anyway). Make it make sense. I know you can't but I'm losing it man!

And we traded Peterka for two guys making a combined 2.3 million. Reverse that trade and we are right against the cap. 

[Archie Lee]

16 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Yeah, kind of expecting his contract to be ~$1.5MM and Levi's to be ~$1.5MM with the 1st year being a 2 way deal.  (Which will THRILL Lyon most certainly, but where Levi sits as possibly being the future expect him to get a deal with similar money.)

Why would we pay Levi more than $900k?

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Why would we pay Levi more than $900k?

Because in the 1st year it's a 2 way deal that they aren't going to be paying the full rate and in the next year, unless UPL gets his head out of his bippy this year, he'll once again be pencilled in as the team's starter.

[Archie Lee]

Just now, Taro T said:

Because in the 1st year it's a 2 way deal that they aren't going to be paying the full rate and in the next year, unless UPL gets his head out of his bippy this year, he'll once again be pencilled in as the team's starter.

Goalies in Levi’s position get $875 to $950 deals. 

[jad1]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

The Montour comp has been one I've been touting for a while.

Pretty similar play style, pretty similar strengths and weaknesses to his game.

He's still learning the NHL game and his limitations in it but his likely role is competent offence-first #3D and with the right focus he can be the Toews to Dahlin's Makar.

if he gets some PP time while playing a regular shift with Dahlin — which should be the obvious choice — he's probably going to have himself a good year and start convincing GMs to pay his price.

We are all going to lose our minds when Ruff pairs Samuelsson on the first line with Dahlin this season.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

If the Sabres are F-ed at the trade deadline but Byram has played very well, there will be playoff bound teams very interested in his services, especially with another year on his deal. Or if Buffalo is somehow, someway, by some hockey God's almighty will in the playoff picture, Byram probably helped get us there. 

I just don't want to see KA sit on keeping Byram around if it makes sense to move him, as just have a feeling he would leave us in UFA. 

[DarthEbriate]

5 minutes ago, jad1 said:

We are all going to lose our minds when Ruff pairs Samuelsson on the first line with Dahlin this season.

We're posting in 'Space for a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 14 seasons and is retreading their GM and sub-par coaching staff again. Our minds are already lost.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, jad1 said:

We are all going to lose our minds when Ruff pairs Samuelsson on the first line with Dahlin this season.

 

 

I can't see that happening if Byram still on the roster. To me pairings should be Byram and Dahlin, Power and Kesselring, Samuelsson and Timmins

[LGR4GM]

11 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I just don't want to see KA sit on keeping Byram around if it makes sense to move him, as just have a feeling he would leave us in UFA. 

If he is contributing in year 2 then keep him. If he leaves in UFA but you made the playoffs, sweet, we made the playoffs. 

[Night Train]

With the 2 year deal, teams know his actual fig if they wish to still trade for him. Speculation prior. 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

If he is contributing in year 2 then keep him. If he leaves in UFA but you made the playoffs, sweet, we made the playoffs. 

And it is small consolation, but should he leave as a UFA, the team does get something back.  They get the cap space to go find a replacement for him.  Again, not as good as having a player you know fits into your system, but NHL teams replace guys like that every year.